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re: Freddie Gray's death ruled a homicide, 6 officers facing charges
Posted on 5/2/15 at 2:58 pm to RunLindsayRun
Posted on 5/2/15 at 2:58 pm to RunLindsayRun
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Who cares... Gray was a waste of oxygen anyways.
I think Stonehog is a waste of oxygen, doesn't mean I have the right to kill him.
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 3:07 pm to Stonehog
I don't think waiting to see all the evidence in court before making a judgment is unreasonable.
Right now I do think the cops acted in ways that lead to his death and the arrest was probably bullshite. I am however going to keep an open mind
Right now I do think the cops acted in ways that lead to his death and the arrest was probably bullshite. I am however going to keep an open mind
Posted on 5/2/15 at 3:07 pm to Stonehog
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Obviously.
The only thing that's obvious is the prosecutor's judgement that is the case.
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Are you asking if his spinal cord accidentally got severed? Even if it was caused by the driver swerving, they're supposed to buckle prisoners up. They didn't.
Seems like more of a violation of policy than breaking the law, unless the Maryland legislature passed a bill making it a crime to not secure him in there or they're going for some negligence.
I'm of the belief that something needs to be done to get police (in general) a little more under control. I've just got the feeling this isn't the case that's going to make the splash needed to get it done.
South Carolina murdering cop is a much more important case than this one. I know nothing of the proof in this specific Maryland case but it's really nothing but theater for now, at least in my opinion.
This post was edited on 5/2/15 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 5/2/15 at 3:13 pm to Mizzeaux
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I'm of the belief that something needs to be done to get police (in general) a little more under control. I've just got the feeling this isn't the case that's going to make the splash needed to get it done.
It had a chance to be a catalyst for change, until the inmates took over the asylum in Baltimore.
Now, the focus is on the rioters, not Freddie Gray.
Posted on 5/2/15 at 3:19 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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It had a chance to be a catalyst for change, until the inmates took over the asylum in Baltimore.
Now, the focus is on the rioters, not Freddie Gray.
Change isn't necessarily good, so I'm not pro-change.
What I really think needs to happen is a requirement for all police to have cameras, all cars to have dash cams, and all prisoner transport areas to have cameras as well. While that's happening and after it has happened, enforce the laws on the books and watch things change.
The only real "change" I would support after all that happens is a citizen review board type of deal (or a grand jury type of setup) that would review every incident and ensure the laws are being upheld.
Posted on 5/2/15 at 3:31 pm to Stonehog
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I could understand this line of thinking yesterday, but not now. The cops have been charged with murder, Gray was alive when they arrested him and he didn't kill himself so...
Someone says we should wait for the evidence to come out in trial and this is your reaction? Is everyone ever accused of murder 100% guilty? For all their bickering, stone hog and RebelGator both sound like they'd be way more comfortable in a judicial system mirroring Saudi Arabia.
Sure yall differ greatly over the parties involved, but you both have some seriously fricked up views on rule of law.
This post was edited on 5/2/15 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 5/2/15 at 3:55 pm to Dawg in Beaumont
Sometimes a case is a slam dunk. What more evidence do you need that the police caused Gray's death?
Posted on 5/2/15 at 4:00 pm to Stonehog
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Sometimes a case is a slam dunk. What more evidence do you need that the police caused Gray's death?
Have you ever seen a prosecutor in a major crime trial portray their case as anything but a slam dunk or a defense attorney portray their case as anything but the opposite?
It's their job.
I've got a feeling this is nowhere near a slam dunk, and it's a damn shame because shite is going to start on fire when they're convicted on some misuse of office versus the other charges.
Posted on 5/2/15 at 4:06 pm to Stonehog
Sounds like you've got it all figured out. There are certainly legal systems that would move much more quickly and similar to your tastes. Despite its flaws, I prefer our system. Different strokes for different folks.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 6:47 am to Stonehog
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Sometimes a case is a slam dunk. What more evidence do you need that the police caused Gray's death?
Evidence that it was a criminal act would be a good start. From there, to convict the driver of murder they have to show intent or premeditation. The fact that they did not buckle him in will not be enough. Even a single slammed on the brakes might not be enough.
The challenge is even higher for the officers not in the van. The prosecution will have to show that they were criminally negligent and that caused his death. They were not even in the van, much less driving.
The case as charged is far from a slam dunk. Based on what we think we know thus far, I can easily see complete acquittal on death-related charges for all but the driver and involuntary manslaughter for the driver.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 9:48 am to JustGetItRight
If his death was caused by banging around in the back of the police vehicle, they would still be culpable because they didn't buckle him in.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 10:58 am to Stonehog
Wait just a minute. The experts are saying his death COULDN'T have been caused by just flopping around in that van. But if there is no evidence, and I seriously doubt there is, of any beat down by officers you tell me how it happened.
So if no officers beat the man, and he was injured throwing himself around back there trying to hurt himself, I could see a civil suit . But the charges as filed are a load of crap, and upon the dropping of charges the accused and the police union should file suits of their own against everyone that participated in their false arrest and defamation. It is also possible a criminal conspiracy exists here between Sharpton, the mayor and the prosecutors involved.
So if no officers beat the man, and he was injured throwing himself around back there trying to hurt himself, I could see a civil suit . But the charges as filed are a load of crap, and upon the dropping of charges the accused and the police union should file suits of their own against everyone that participated in their false arrest and defamation. It is also possible a criminal conspiracy exists here between Sharpton, the mayor and the prosecutors involved.
This post was edited on 5/3/15 at 11:00 am
Posted on 5/3/15 at 11:46 am to Stonehog
Moral culpability does not equal civil liability and civil liability does not equal a criminal act. Further, not all criminal exposure is created equal. The driver is charged with 2nd degree murder which requires a level of intent or premeditation. The simple fact that the drivers actions may have been the cause of his death fails to reach that bar without additional proof.
I am not saying they are innocent. I even said upthread that the driver needs a good defense attorney but once again this nowhere near a slam dunk.
I am not saying they are innocent. I even said upthread that the driver needs a good defense attorney but once again this nowhere near a slam dunk.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 11:34 am to Stonehog
Mosby is obviously incompetent, and most likely a beneficiary of Affirmative Action throughout her life.
This would be embarrassing for her and those who support her, if they were capable of feeling shame.
This would be embarrassing for her and those who support her, if they were capable of feeling shame.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 11:36 am to Stonehog
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If his death was caused by banging around in the back of the police vehicle, they would still be culpable because they didn't buckle him in.
Negligence is the basis of a civil action, not 2nd degree murder charges. This is farcical.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 7:31 pm to Numberwang
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Mosby is obviously incompetent, and most likely a beneficiary of Affirmative Action throughout her life.
I'm not in a position to pass comment - but - she was boxed in politically.
I agree that this is no slam dunk, murder is going to very difficult to prove.
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Negligence is the basis of a civil action, not 2nd degree murder charges. This is farcical.
Agreed.
This post was edited on 5/5/15 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 5/5/15 at 7:44 pm to Numberwang
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Mosby is obviously incompetent, and most likely a beneficiary of Affirmative Action throughout her life.
Wow. So you think black women are incapable of succeding without affirmative action?
Posted on 5/5/15 at 7:49 pm to Stonehog
This one did obviously. But carry on the race baiting. It suits you.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 8:08 pm to 3nOut
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This one did obviously.
Why do you think that?
Posted on 5/5/15 at 8:21 pm to Stonehog
Because we all like to think there is no way that someone as incompetent as she is could normally get elected mayor of a major city.
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