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re: Does life have objective meaning?

Posted on 2/5/15 at 10:08 am to
Posted by CrimsonTideMD
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Posted by Dick Leverage
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Posted on 2/5/15 at 6:20 pm to
Absolutely. You were created to have an awesome relationship with your creator. The second part is to help others have the same type of relationship with the creator(God). It is really so simple of a concept but Satan blasts a ton of noise during our lives to hinder what we were created for. It is explained pretty good in 4 books comprising The Gospel at the beginning of the New Testament.
Posted by nc14
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Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:18 pm to
No. How many millions of years proof are needed? We can all strive for objectivity but in the final analysis there is nothing but failure. That is my utmost objective opinion.


Posted by deltaland
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Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:30 pm to
We are all God. We are a part of God. Without God we don't exist, without us he doesn't exist. We each carry a fraction of Gods whole ability within us. Together we can do anything by combining out talents. Apart, we destroy one another and in turn destroy God.

I don't believe God has a predetermined date that he will bring about the end of times. I feel like he left it entirely up to us to see how far we could make it. Basically laid out a set of rules and said Go. If we abide by those rules and make the most of life then we are rewarded with everlasting life, because we have proven we are deserving of life.
Posted by CheeseburgerEddie
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Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:30 pm to
Like in Prometheus?
Posted by Kentucker
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Posted on 2/5/15 at 11:10 pm to
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We are all God. We are a part of God. Without God we don't exist, without us he doesn't exist. We each carry a fraction of Gods whole ability within us. Together we can do anything by combining out talents. Apart, we destroy one another and in turn destroy God. I don't believe God has a predetermined date that he will bring about the end of times. I feel like he left it entirely up to us to see how far we could make it. Basically laid out a set of rules and said Go. If we abide by those rules and make the most of life then we are rewarded with everlasting life, because we have proven we are deserving of life.


Thanks. That's a wonderful example of assigning a subjective meaning to life.
Posted by Kentucker
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Posted on 2/5/15 at 11:12 pm to
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Like in Prometheus?


That's a cool movie. Can't wait for the sequel. Any idea why the big gray guys hate humans so much?
Posted by CheeseburgerEddie
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Posted on 2/5/15 at 11:20 pm to
I don't think they hate as much as they just don't care either that or creation was an unintentional consequence and they now view us like the pythons down in Florida for taking over.

On the topic though I think the meaning comes from learning all you can while you are here, and using what you learned when it begins anew after death. I don't think you are reborn on earth though.
Posted by Kentucker
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Posted on 2/5/15 at 11:35 pm to
I personally don't think the process of being conscious continues after death. After all, the organ that generates consciousness dies, too.
Posted by CheeseburgerEddie
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Posted on 2/5/15 at 11:53 pm to
Ya, that fits in to why I said not on this earth. I have what I describe as an "agnostic" view of science.

Everything we study and have discovered is based on the physical laws present in the universe. So if you accept that there is a Creator or anything really at a higher order of magnitude than our existence, it would be hard to argue that is has the same governing rules. And in that thought, really anything is possible.

Of course it represents an idea that can't be disproven or proven, but it's just seems somewhat logical in my mind.
Posted by MeridianDog
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Posted on 2/6/15 at 10:24 pm to
We are the creation, along with the rest of the universe of an entity so far above us we will never comprehend. All of our understanding of this creator is but a brief flicker of what the creator (to make it simple, I'll call the creator "Him")is.

As a part of creation we have the worth in His eyes that all of creation has been granted. His word, given to us says that in some way, we were created in the image of the creator and that gives us worth in his opinion.

In the beginning, our sole function in life was to live in harmony with and enjoy the blessings granted by the creator.

Then in the free will given to us by the creator we blew it.

Everything from that point forward has been the actions of the creator to maintain union with those of his creation able to meet a simple standard he set. As we have changed, the standard changed.

For those who do meet the standard (in lawyer terms, the covenant), an eternity of objective meaning exists.

For those who don't meet the standard (the covenant), an eternity of failed objective exists.

The standard? Micah had a pretty good view of it.

Micah 6:6-8

6 Wherewith shall I come before Jehovah, and bow myself before the high God? shall I come before him with burnt-offerings, with calves a year old?

7 will Jehovah be pleased with thousands of rams, or with ten thousands of rivers of oil? shall I give my first-born for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?

8 He hath showed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth Jehovah require of thee, but to do justly, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with thy God?

Is verse 8 the standard (God's covenant)? Very close IMO.


Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 2/6/15 at 10:29 pm to
Perhaps. But for the most part.. shite happens.
Posted by CheeseburgerEddie
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Posted on 2/6/15 at 11:00 pm to
You need to eat some L and recenter yourself
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 2/6/15 at 11:21 pm to
It's an interesting subject that is as old as life itself.

Even modern scientists are taking note and admitting that quantum theory probably proves consciousness. I'm reading a book now by Robert Lanza, Biocentrism: How Life and Consciousness Are the Keys to Understanding the Nature of the Universe, that really gets-into some of these questions and makes a lot of sense in the process. And more and more scientists are starting to agree that there is a tie-in to one's soul, quantum mechanics, afterlife, human consciousness and so-on and so-forth.
Posted by derSturm37
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Posted on 2/7/15 at 2:10 am to
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Even modern scientists are taking note and admitting that quantum theory probably proves consciousness... And more and more scientists are starting to agree that there is a tie-in to one's soul, quantum mechanics, afterlife, human consciousness and so-on and so-forth.


Despite popular belief science has never been opposed to God, ghosts, magic, aliens, fairies, bigfoot, or anything else. Science is opposed only to bullshite. Its limitation (a self-imposed limitation and a good one, one that makes science science) is that it deals only with what is measurable. If you can invent a device that will measure the existence of ghosts then science will instantly accept the existence of ghosts. If you can measure God then science will immediately begin documenting and discussing God. What you are saying is that science has discovered enough to now be measuring "God".
Posted by TeLeFaWx
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Posted on 2/7/15 at 2:45 am to
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Like in Prometheus?


Never seen it.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
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Posted on 2/7/15 at 2:49 am to
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I don't believe God has a predetermined date that he will bring about the end of times. I feel like he left it entirely up to us to see how far we could make it. Basically laid out a set of rules and said Go. If we abide by those rules and make the most of life then we are rewarded with everlasting life, because we have proven we are deserving of life.



If God is omnipotent, when he created us he knew exactly how we'd act, effectively creating an end date. If he wanted to make the date longer, he'd have made us less flawed. But pointing out fallacies in the Bible/doctrine to Christians never resonates. The biases are too strong.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 2/7/15 at 3:05 am to
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If God is omnipotent, when he created us he knew exactly how we'd act, effectively creating an end date. If he wanted to make the date longer, he'd have made us less flawed. But pointing out fallacies in the Bible/doctrine to Christians never resonates. The biases are too strong.



Nah, humans being flawed doesn't indicate a fallacy, brah.

And one can make an equally strong case for anti-Bible/Christian biases being just as strong, just fyi

Yeah, I'm a Christian, but I believe in letting folks believe what they believe. If you want to become a Christian, great, we can talk about that. If not, great, I'm not going to bend over backwards to change your thinking, provided you do the same as it pertains to my beliefs.

Just crack open a beer and move on to the next subject That's what life is truly about--enjoying your time on this earth as much as you can, and sharing those meaningful experiences with others
Posted by Kentucker
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Posted on 2/7/15 at 10:23 am to
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Even modern scientists are taking note and admitting that quantum theory probably proves consciousness.


That we exist proves the act of being conscious is a function of the brain. All living beings are conscious to some degree because they interact with their environments. We are the only creatures, however, who can recognize a theory of mind in others.

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And more and more scientists are starting to agree that there is a tie-in to one's soul, quantum mechanics, afterlife, human consciousness and so-on and so-forth.


No objective scientist would say that there's proof of the human soul or an afterlife. The soul is as philosophical as the idea of God.
This post was edited on 2/7/15 at 10:28 am
Posted by Kentucker
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Posted on 2/7/15 at 10:26 am to
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Never seen it.


If you like Sci-Fi, then you'd like it. It's a surprisingly well-done prequel to the Alien series of movies. There are no big-name stars but this makes it better, I think.
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