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Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:01 am to UMTigerRebel
Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:01 am to UMTigerRebel
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I'm pro-choice. I'll give an example of one of my friends who had an abortion at around 17 weeks.
She and her husband desperately wanted a baby. After a couple of years of trying, they resorted to AI to become pregnant. The baby had a stroke in the womb, and their doctor said IF the baby made it to term and survived birth, there would basically be no brain activity.
I cried with her as she told me the situation, and I was pregnant at the time too. I had just found out I was having a little girl, and she let me know that hers would have been a girl as well. It was an incredibly sad situation for them, but now they have two little boys.
I have never had one, and the odds are slim that I will ever be in the position to make that choice, but I couldn't possibly make the choice for someone else.
i literally don't know a pro-life soul that takes issue with aborting at that point. i know they're out there and i am as pro-life as they come, but that is not the majority of the base.
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Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:02 am to DynastyDawg
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God damn. No you can't.
Yes I can. Both are examples of another human, or group of humans, deciding another human no longer has the right to live. Justify it all you want, but both are morally wrong.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:04 am to 3nOut
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i literally don't know a pro-life soul that takes issue with aborting at that point. i know they're out there and i am as pro-life as they come, but that is not the majority of the base.
I find it reprehensible for people to use abortions as birth control, but how do deal with the grey areas? Have a voting panel to decide if your abortion is approved?
Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:06 am to The Spleen
From the golf course, take as you want.
1 an order to stand down the amount of personnel at that location due to the known hostile location.
2 the reduction in guard staff in a known hostile region.
3 the stand down of armed guards. Reducing the response time of any team.
4 the argument of is the amabasador really dead in the photo.
1 an order to stand down the amount of personnel at that location due to the known hostile location.
2 the reduction in guard staff in a known hostile region.
3 the stand down of armed guards. Reducing the response time of any team.
4 the argument of is the amabasador really dead in the photo.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:08 am to Stonehog
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I see you left out the rest of the examples that was also making the point. Continue to cherry pick though.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:09 am to The Spleen
Having said that, I'm not pro-life. I'm not really pro-choice either. For myself, aborting a baby is not something I would even consider except in a case such as UM mentioned. What someone else decides is their cross to bear, and I have no right to impart my morals into their decision.
Same with the death penalty. I'd never vote in favor of it if on a jury, but I'm not so against it I don't see there are cases where it may be best for society.
Same with the death penalty. I'd never vote in favor of it if on a jury, but I'm not so against it I don't see there are cases where it may be best for society.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:12 am to DynastyDawg
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I see you left out the rest of the examples that was also making the point. Continue to cherry pick though.
in his defense, i edited and added the other ones after slavery. the point still stands, just because something is a law for a long time doesn't make it the right thing.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:16 am to trickydick12
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From the golf course, take as you want.
1 an order to stand down the amount of personnel at that location due to the known hostile location.
2 the reduction in guard staff in a known hostile region.
3 the stand down of armed guards. Reducing the response time of any team.
4 the argument of is the amabasador really dead in the photo.
The real problem was hiring contractors to do the work of servicemen.
1. Contractors cost more than servicemen, can you imagine what it'd cost to hire 3 or 4 SEALs? Imagine what it'd cost just to get them to guard your house in the states. Then imagine what it'd cost to deploy them. Even if they were just data spooks, they'd still cost a huge amount of money.
2. Deploying marines as is customary for these situations would have been an infinitely wise scenario. Even if they did need SEALs, they should have deployed a group instead.
3. A deployment is a good thing for any soldier, there are plenty of guys who are getting dicked in the States who could use training, experience and positive things in their dossier.
Conclusion: The problem was simple and solitary. The contracting atmosphere around Capitol Hill alone is the cause of this catastrophe. We have got to get private contractors the frick out of our vital security operations and that's the bottom line.
Kind of going on a tangent, but I just want to make sure other people realize what the issue was when you posit #2.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:17 am to Prettyboy Floyd
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Where do you think liberals get the money to give generously?
Everyone knows this, taxes.
Def of Tax: a compulsory contribution to state revenue, levied by the government on workers' income and business profits or added to the cost of some goods, services, and transactions.
Again, liberal deals with money, not actions. If you are curious as to what a REAL socialism is, look up kibbutz.
In America, everyone gains individual profits/goods/services/jobs/insurance/security(to a degree)/etc. Taxes do not equal socialism.
If you wanted to go live on an island or in a country that makes you pay for road repairs, garbage trucks, hospital construction, etc. go right on ahead.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:18 am to TT9
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Warren is to the left of Hillary, no thanks.
Warren is to the left of fricking Marx. No thanks.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:19 am to The Spleen
I'm with UMTigerRebel about the abortion issue. Makes very good points. As a form of birth control, I think it's wrong, but otherwise there are some instances in which it can be used for good.
To get back to politics though, there are a couple of points I would like to present:
The large African-American vote that was present in the Obama elections won't be there anymore. Historically, that demographic just doesn't vote on a regular basis and won't be there for the Democratic party as a whole in the next election when (IF) Hillary runs.
The large base of younger Americans that would normally have leaned far right in previous elections that several people have referenced here already, are starting to change the way they think on a lot of issues and spells trouble for the Republican party. However, they will still vote against a lot of the crazy that the Democratic party spews even if they don't completely back the candidate that will run under the Republican platform.
To get back to politics though, there are a couple of points I would like to present:
The large African-American vote that was present in the Obama elections won't be there anymore. Historically, that demographic just doesn't vote on a regular basis and won't be there for the Democratic party as a whole in the next election when (IF) Hillary runs.
The large base of younger Americans that would normally have leaned far right in previous elections that several people have referenced here already, are starting to change the way they think on a lot of issues and spells trouble for the Republican party. However, they will still vote against a lot of the crazy that the Democratic party spews even if they don't completely back the candidate that will run under the Republican platform.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:24 am to Japowell98
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Everyone knows this, taxes.
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Japowell98
Let's take it a step further. Who pays the majority of taxes in this country. How much do the top 10pct pay or the top 20pct pay in comparison to everyone else.
I'll wait
Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:26 am to 3nOut
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Everything, literally everything, you said can be flipped on it's head and be completely true.
So you think the left have the better ideas and just haven't sold them correctly? Why are you a conservative then? If you take from my POV that the more free market policies of the conservatives are better, then turning it on it's head doesn't make sense. Not to mention the fact they are winning the national elections. It's not because they have great ideas, but a bigger tent. Where did the GOP's big tent go?
The left is using honey. Gays, we're all about your rights (now that it's politically convenient). Latinos, we want to help you become legal citizens and stop deporting so many of you just coming here looking for work (nevermind that more Mexicans have been deported under Obama than Bush ever thought about). Poor people, we feel your pain and think you're being screwed by the fat cats that run the system (if you ignore the fact we're bought and paid for by the same people that are "screwing you"). It's a hand reaching out to help people who need it (well...in rhetoric).
They've been able to very effectively use wedge issues to cut out a demographic tapestry that is tough to beat. It happens when you can run against the party of "no". The party of the "greedy rich white folks". If you're just going to sit there and play the other side of the class warfare, you're never going to win. They champion the "little guy" (even if it's not true) and y'all want to champion the rich guy. They've got all the sympathetic figures. You don't want elections to be about morality.
If they were on the losing end of national elections recently, I'd suggest they should change their message. Since it's been the GOP, I think a message change would also do them some good. It's why I'm optimistic about Rand Paul. He's willing to go to traditionally democratic strongholds and explain why conservative ideas are better. Don't keep making the same mistakes because I'm sick of do-gooder liberals running the show.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:30 am to The Spleen
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Not really. Obama called it an act of terror the very next day in his press briefing on it. The video wasn't even mentioned until 5 days after the attack when Rice went on one of the Sunday morning talk shows and mentioned it. And the video talking point came from the CIA.
All incorrect.
Obama said we would respond to acts of terror. When asked directly on multiple separate occasions whether or not Benghazi was a terror attack, he declined to answer.
The latest emails show that the video talking points came from the White House, not the CIA. Emails which have been withheld from the congressional investigation until this week. If the administration hadn't stonewalled on this issue, it wouldn't still be an issue.
Of course, the real underlying question is why were we supplying MANPADs to Al Qaeda affiliated groups. But that's an actual real policy issue and we should instead pretend this is all internecine warfare of the political nature over nothing of actual consequence.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:31 am to Duke
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The left is using honey. Gays, we're all about your rights (now that it's politically convenient). Latinos, we want to help you become legal citizens and stop deporting so many of you just coming here looking for work (nevermind that more Mexicans have been deported under Obama than Bush ever thought about). Poor people, we feel your pain and think you're being screwed by the fat cats that run the system (if you ignore the fact we're bought and paid for by the same people that are "screwing you"). It's a hand reaching out to help people who need it (well...in rhetoric).
What you said is true, but all the while the American people scream that they want the candidates and parties to be honest about what they're running for and to do those same things in office.
Why is it that the Democratic party hasn't been exposed for all the issues that they "champion" yet don't touch in office?
Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:38 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Conclusion: The problem was simple and solitary. The contracting atmosphere around Capitol Hill alone is the cause of this catastrophe. We have got to get private contractors the frick out of our vital security operations and that's the bottom line.
There were some technical issues with diplomatic immunity and the transitional government of Libya that made the problem worse.
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Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:39 am to Prettyboy Floyd
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I'll wait
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As I said, if you want to live somewhere where you can theoretically pay for each thing individually, go on ahead. However, this is exactly why dictators are frowned upon. If you have money and spend it entirely on your own needs, that would be considered greedy, no matter how hard you worked for it. I'm at school, so I don't have time to respond quickly, but I wild be curious what the hours of labor are in the bottom 50% rather than the top...
Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:44 am to Japowell98
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As I said, if you want to live somewhere where you can theoretically pay for each thing individually, go on ahead. However, this is exactly why dictators are frowned upon. If you have money and spend it entirely on your own needs, that would be considered greedy, no matter how hard you worked for it. I'm at school, so I don't have time to respond quickly, but I wild be curious what the hours of labor are in the bottom 50% rather than the top...
So essentially you are fine with essentially distributing wealth which is what I just showed you to be true yet you don't think liberals are doing just that, taking from the wealthy to pay for the healthcare and other needs of the poor. They are greedy for wanting to keep the same percentage they earn as everyone else never mind that the back of this country is carried by the middle class and the rich earners while we have millions of leaches in the system and you think that it's ok that the bottom 50pct are essentially receiving handouts and entitlements off the back of someone else yet conservatives are the extremist. Wow, mind fricking blown.
This post was edited on 5/7/14 at 11:45 am
Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:45 am to Japowell98
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"Between 1979 and 2002, the frequency of long work hours increased by 14.4 percentage points among the top quintile of wage earners, but fell by 6.7 percentage points in the lowest quintile."
Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:59 am to the808bass
So before a couple of oil booms and the birth if the tea party? Plus those don't include the actual numbers, just the difference.
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