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Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:43 am to Prettyboy Floyd
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People who support abortion and claim some sort of moral high ground because they are all for gay rights can suck it. Your actions are morally incomprehensible.
I can make this same argument for people that support the death penalty but while also opposing abortion. Both are the taking of a life.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:44 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I find it to be untenable that the federal government have limited power but a state has all the power in the world to enact whatever laws they want
Any idea where this comes from?
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:45 am to The Spleen
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I can make this same argument for people that support the death penalty but while also opposing abortion. Both are the taking of a life.
one is a life that has not began, one is a life that has taken other lives violently.
they are not the same.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:46 am to 3nOut
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He needed a war to save his arse.
But a lot of his "socialist" policies continued long after his death, and some still remain today.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:47 am to Stonehog
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But a lot of his "socialist" policies continued long after his death, and some still remain today.
Jim Crow laws, sodomy laws, women's inability to vote, and slavery lasted for a long time too.
ETA: I don't look as unfavorably on FDR as most conservatives do. I understand the philosophy behind trying to help Americans, but lived out long term is not viable.
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Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:47 am to 3nOut
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But a lot of his "socialist" policies continued long after his death, and some still remain today.
slavery lasted for a long time too.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:48 am to 3nOut
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that's a bald faced lie and you know it. it is point blank hoping that young, healthy, and wealthy put in so that it can support the old, sick, and poor. it has from day one been marketed as that.
The means of production is still controlled primarily by the private insurance industry, not the government. One could argue that Medicare controls the health insurance industry, but that's been around for decades now. I'll concede it has some socialist attributes, but to call it a socialist policy is not accurate. I should have said there's not much socialist about it.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:48 am to Japowell98
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Definitions:
Liberal- (of a person) giving generously.
Socialism- a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
Similar, but liberalism deals with money and socialism deals with action. Not stating an opinion, just a clarification.
This is exactly why conservatives should stay away from defining Socialism. There are many camps of Socialism just as there are many camps of Capitalism (as an example).
The modern day liberal party's only shared ideology is that they want higher wages and more power for the workers (theoretically). Other than that there is almost nothing in common. Most Socialists hate the Democratic Party.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:48 am to The Spleen
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I can make this same argument for people that support the death penalty but while also opposing abortion. Both are the taking of a life.
Agreed, however you don't end up on death row for being a moral character. In most cases you have taken more than 1 life in order for the government to consider you so unworthy of life that they agreed to take yours in the court of law and a child in utero gets how much representation? Zero. They are executed for doing nothing but existing. It's disgusting
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:49 am to JustGetItRight
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Any idea where this comes from?
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
The Civil War kinda changed that up and it hasn't been that way for a long, long time for a reason.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:50 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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This is exactly why conservatives should stay away from defining Socialism. There are many camps of Socialism just as there are many camps of Capitalism (as an example).
Wh
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Definitions:
Liberal- (of a person) giving generously.
Socialism- a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
Where do you think liberals get the money to give generously?
I'll wait
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:51 am to 3nOut
I didn't say the left doesn't play the same games to get their base in line, but the right is currently just playing into their hand. I believe the conservatives have an economic message that could actually play to the middle/non-partisans and win. The presentation is awful and at times downright mean-spirited toward the less fortunate among us. You don't make the left defend policies that aren't or won't work. Instead, the right practically paints the picture of the greedy, old, out of touch white guy for them.
Stop screaming about the laziness of society, the "entitlement mentalitiy" and the welfare queens. State your ideas and explain why they are better. The left leaning media will still try to marginalize it, but you have them railing against reason instead of a caricature that is easy to demonize. You catch more flies with honey.
Stop screaming about the laziness of society, the "entitlement mentalitiy" and the welfare queens. State your ideas and explain why they are better. The left leaning media will still try to marginalize it, but you have them railing against reason instead of a caricature that is easy to demonize. You catch more flies with honey.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:51 am to Prettyboy Floyd
for the record, if we go abortion topic here, i'm going scorched earth. RAing, down voting, upvoting and porn blasting this place into Bolivian.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:51 am to The Spleen
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The means of production is still controlled primarily by the private insurance industry, not the government. One could argue that Medicare controls the health insurance industry, but that's been around for decades now. I'll concede it has some socialist attributes, but to call it a socialist policy is not accurate. I should have said there's not much socialist about it.
Intelligent statement.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:52 am to 3nOut
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for the record, if we go abortion topic here, i'm going scorched earth. RAing, down voting, upvoting and porn blasting this place into Bolivian.
I've already lit the torch brah.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:56 am to The Spleen
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I can make this same argument for people that support the death penalty but while also opposing abortion. Both are the taking of a life.
God damn. No you can't. The death penalty is for people who have committed capital murder(s) primarily.
Abortion is for a life that has done no wrong.
I'm not advocating either one but they are not the same at all.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:57 am to Prettyboy Floyd
I'm pro-choice. I'll give an example of one of my friends who had an abortion at around 17 weeks.
She and her husband desperately wanted a baby. After a couple of years of trying, they resorted to AI to become pregnant. The baby had a stroke in the womb, and their doctor said IF the baby made it to term and survived birth, there would basically be no brain activity.
I cried with her as she told me the situation, and I was pregnant at the time too. I had just found out I was having a little girl, and she let me know that hers would have been a girl as well. It was an incredibly sad situation for them, but now they have two little boys.
I have never had one, and the odds are slim that I will ever be in the position to make that choice, but I couldn't possibly make the choice for someone else.
She and her husband desperately wanted a baby. After a couple of years of trying, they resorted to AI to become pregnant. The baby had a stroke in the womb, and their doctor said IF the baby made it to term and survived birth, there would basically be no brain activity.
I cried with her as she told me the situation, and I was pregnant at the time too. I had just found out I was having a little girl, and she let me know that hers would have been a girl as well. It was an incredibly sad situation for them, but now they have two little boys.
I have never had one, and the odds are slim that I will ever be in the position to make that choice, but I couldn't possibly make the choice for someone else.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:58 am to Duke
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I didn't say the right doesn't play the same games to get their base in line, but the left is currently just playing into their hand. I believe the liberals have an economic and social message that could actually play to the middle/non-partisans and win. The presentation is awful and at times downright mean-spirited toward the more fortunate among us. You don't make the right defend policies that aren't or won't work. Instead, the left practically paints the picture of the racist, entitled, poor-me, guy for them.
Stop screaming about the hard work of others, the racist, homophobes, sexist and the income inequality. State your ideas and explain why they are better. The right leaning media will still try to marginalize it, but you have them railing against reason instead of a caricature that is easy to demonize. You catch more flies with honey.
Everything, literally everything, you said can be flipped on it's head and be completely true.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:00 am to Prettyboy Floyd
Context. I was talking about against Hillary. McCain won't be running again. He couldn't if he wanted to because the base has gotten so crazy. His "maverick" label was a positive back in 2008, but now he's been sullied by *gasp* attempting to work accross the isle and not undermining Obama at every turn. Face it, the GOP is now the anti-science, environment hating, xenophobic party and it's fricked unless change comes soon because younger Anericans and changing racial demographics are not going to help it.
Eta: I forgot anti-poor.
Eta: I forgot anti-poor.
This post was edited on 5/7/14 at 11:04 am
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