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Posted on 12/6/13 at 6:22 pm to Stonehog
Posted on 12/6/13 at 6:22 pm to Stonehog
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I don't believe in your god. The story of Job is one reason.
Regardless of what you do, or don't, believe, you have completely misunderstood the point of the book of Job. Theologically speaking, Job is a book of amazing hope (believe it or not). It's actually one of the most comforting books in the entire Bible in what it teaches about suffering, who suffers and why. It's often misunderstood, but the theology behind it is kind of interesting and the opposite of God just smiting someone 'cause he just likes to swat things.
Now, you don't have to believe that the theological reason behind Job is the proper way to interpret it, but you should at least understand it to begin with.
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Posted on 12/6/13 at 6:22 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Hey, overall, it's really been a pretty respectful thread for the most part. 
Posted on 12/6/13 at 6:24 pm to Alahunter
It actually has been 
RA's for anchor anyway
RA's for anchor anyway
Posted on 12/6/13 at 6:26 pm to GoldenDawg
Satan made a bet that Job wouldn't praise god if god destroyed Job's life. The all knowing god, who knew what would happen even before he did it, still decided to ruin Job's life just to prove a point to Satan. Am I pretty close?
Posted on 12/6/13 at 6:28 pm to GoldenDawg
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I think an Atheist would say that is because, in the evolution of the human species, through trial and error, civilized man has learned it is best for him and his species if we treat each other in a way we would like to be treated. That type of behavior begets similar behavior in which all human animals benefit, and thus your morality was derived, not through some metaphysical being or force, but through pure evolutionary trial and error which brought you to the point where you act, as you put it, 'good'.
Here's the problem...
If, as evolutionary scientists say, what our brains tell us about God, morality, love, or beauty is not real- it's just a set of chemical reactions designed to pass on our genetic code- then so is what their brains tell them about the world. So why should they trust them?
In other words, if we can't trust our cognitive faculties to tell us the truth about God or morality, then why should we trust them to tell us the truth about anything, including evolutionary science?
Posted on 12/6/13 at 6:30 pm to Stonehog
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Satan made a bet that Job wouldn't praise god if god destroyed Job's life. The all knowing god, who knew what would happen even before he did it, still decided to ruin Job's life just to prove a point to Satan. Am I pretty close?
Not even in the ballpark.
I think you stopped reading at some point before the end of chapter 2. There are 42 chapters in the book. It's considered one of the 'Books of Wisdom' in the Bible. No way are you going to figure it out by just reading the prelude.
This post was edited on 12/6/13 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 12/6/13 at 6:37 pm to CJM18
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Here's the problem...
If, as evolutionary scientists say, what our brains tell us about God, morality, love, or beauty is not real- it's just a set of chemical reactions designed to pass on our genetic code- then so is what their brains tell them about the world. So why should they trust them?
In other words, if we can't trust our cognitive faculties to tell us the truth about God or morality, then why should we trust them to tell us the truth about anything, including evolutionary science?
I don't think an Atheist sees that as a problem at all. First of all, I think a distinction can be made between subjective and objective reasoning. They will say morality, beauty, religion, beliefs in various gods, etc., are subjective. Science, math chemistry, that is objective - you can see it work, you can duplicate it reliably, you can offer tangible proof, etc., etc., etc.
An Atheist would take umbrage about you lumping philosophy, religion, ideas about beauty, etc., into the same category of science, including evolutionary science. As a matter of fact, I think that's the whole point of that argument for them. Religion tries to morph science into its subjective reasoning, when it should be the exact opposite. All things should be subordinate to the objective or its just fantasy, including religion of any stripe.
This post was edited on 12/6/13 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 12/6/13 at 7:46 pm to CJM18
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In other words, if we can't trust our cognitive faculties to tell us the truth about God or morality, then why should we trust them to tell us the truth about anything, including evolutionary science?
This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. How old are you?
Posted on 12/6/13 at 8:07 pm to Alahunter
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Hey, overall, it's really been a pretty respectful thread for the most part
I don't respect many people in this thread. Like maybe 4 of you, tops
Posted on 12/6/13 at 8:10 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Like maybe 4 of you, tops
Generous estimate. I'm calling bullshite.
3 or less or GTFO.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 8:16 pm to TbirdSpur2010
*Crosses TBird off list
Posted on 12/6/13 at 8:17 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Posted on 12/6/13 at 8:48 pm to TbirdSpur2010
HEY PEOPLE!!!!!! ADULTS TALKING ABOUT SERIOUS SERIOUS THINGS!!!!
See, this is why we can't have anything nice.
In all Christian love, I hate every last one of you.
See, this is why we can't have anything nice.
In all Christian love, I hate every last one of you.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 9:12 pm to GoldenDawg
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In all Christian love, I hate every last one of you.
Posted on 12/7/13 at 12:19 am to TeLeFaWx
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This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
You keep saying this because you can't refute the points I've made.
Atheism as a worldview crumbles when thoroughly examined. In so many ways. I've just hit on a couple of em.
Posted on 12/7/13 at 12:24 am to Alahunter
I'm sure this thread has diverged into other directions, but I just wanted to comment on the OP... What's wrong with an Atheist billboard? Christians have billboards, why is OP trying to insinuate there's something wrong with an Atheist one? I'm a Christian, but I also believe in freedom of speech/religion.
Posted on 12/7/13 at 7:59 am to OBReb6
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That's cool. Something I've never understood is people being staunchly athiest. Why not just be agnostic, which is the most plausible of any of the beliefs? I just don't see the point about being in your face about what you don't believe in.
Look at it this way, there are a million times more in-your-face Christians than there are in-your-face Atheists. You just don't notice the Christians because you agree with them. You consider them to be part of the norm.
Posted on 12/7/13 at 8:08 am to LittleJerrySeinfield
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"Evil" is just the absence of goodness. Just like there isn't such a thing as darkness, it's just the absence of light.
This is incorrect. Evil is defined by civilizations/societies/cultures. Humans believe slavery is evil because we have collectively decided it is.
What's interesting is that the Bible got this one wrong. According to the Bible, slavery is not evil. Instead of an outright prohibition of slavery, the Bible instead gives instructions on how to treat your slaves.
Posted on 12/7/13 at 8:38 am to Alahunter
Jesus = Son of God
You get to choose whether you believe or not. I'm comfortable with my choice why are atheists soooo uncomfortable with my choice?
Atheism is a myth, they spend more energy arguing about something they don't believe exists in the first place...lol
You get to choose whether you believe or not. I'm comfortable with my choice why are atheists soooo uncomfortable with my choice?
Atheism is a myth, they spend more energy arguing about something they don't believe exists in the first place...lol
Posted on 12/7/13 at 8:43 am to Old Sarge
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Atheism is a myth, they spend more energy arguing about something they don't believe exists in the first place...lol
You run into a bunch of atheists that want to argue with you?
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