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re: Are y'all going to get the vaccine?
Posted on 4/11/21 at 9:40 pm to AllbyMyRelf
Posted on 4/11/21 at 9:40 pm to AllbyMyRelf
quote:It's hard to say for sure which one is better based on when the trials were, where the trials were, and how they determined the efficacy.
Pfizer and Moderna were more effective than J&J in the trials.
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But comparing the efficacy of those vaccines to the efficacy of Johnson & Johnson’s is challenging because of differences in the designs of the Phase 3 clinical tests — essentially the trials were testing for different outcomes. Pfizer’s and Moderna’s trials both tested for any symptomatic Covid infection. Pfizer started counting cases from seven days after receipt of the second dose of vaccine, while Moderna waited until day 14 to start counting cases.
J&J, by contrast, sought to determine whether one dose of its vaccine protected against moderate to severe Covid illness — defined as a combination of a positive test and at least one symptom such as shortness of breath, beginning from 14 or 28 days after the single shot. (The company collected data for both.)
Because of the difference in the trials, making direct comparisons is a bit like comparing apples and oranges. Additionally, Pfizer and Moderna’s vaccines were tested before the emergence of troubling new variants in Britain, South Africa, and Brazil. It’s not entirely clear how well they will work against these mutated viruses.
The J&J vaccine was still being tested when the variants were making the rounds. Much of the data generated in the South African arm of the J&J trial involved people who were infected with the variant first seen in South Africa, called B.1.351.
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Posted on 4/11/21 at 9:45 pm to AllbyMyRelf
How do they know Moderna and Pfizer are more effective though? And if they are, why even bother with J&J? Has enough time passed to really know? Why are there competing vaccines? I know I ask a lot of questions, but this is kind of a big deal. Viruses and having vaccines pumped into your body. I mean, shite.
Posted on 4/11/21 at 9:50 pm to harmonics
quote:Which vaccine doesn't have competing brands? There are competing flu vaccines, but no one asks which one they are getting when they get their yearly shot.
Why are there competing vaccines?
In this case, there is money to be made and they were being developed at the same time. There's more COVID-19 vaccines that are being tested that just haven't been approved yet.
This post was edited on 4/11/21 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 4/11/21 at 10:53 pm to pvilleguru
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There's more COVID-19 vaccines that are being tested that just haven't been approved yet.
Hmmm..... Yeah I'm gonna wait it out a little longer.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 5:51 am to harmonics
There's really no point in waiting unless you think a new one will be approved soon that does better against the variants.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 9:08 am to AllbyMyRelf
Getting the second round of Pfizer tomorrow.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 11:41 am to pvilleguru
Posted on 4/12/21 at 11:48 am to harmonics
Sounds like she likely got the virus before the the vaccine reached its full effectiveness.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 11:53 am to harmonics
None of the vaccines are 100% effective. You would expect some small amount of infections even with the vaccines.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:27 am to harmonics
quote:Last week I'd of said you're crazy.
Yeah I'm gonna wait it out a little longer.

first found this - not the best but not lunatic crazy DNA bad
and largely references this which is less biased
which led to - passing the brain blood barrier and this which at least appear to reference peer reviewed studies.
So I'm not near as sold on this ounce of prevention being benign, nor actually staying an ounce worth, since it's a only function is replicating what may be this viruses worst habit. Leaving me to weighing the (likely way overblown) death rate, to potential long range damage, to rushing headfirst (sic) into a way too short of study.
etc: links
This post was edited on 4/13/21 at 8:29 am
Posted on 4/13/21 at 11:20 am to awestruck
Johnson and Johnson pause vaccinations due to blood clots
It was 6 women
It was 6 women
This post was edited on 4/13/21 at 11:21 am
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:12 pm to AllbyMyRelf
Had the first Pfizer shot last weekend.
Already developed a third testicle.
Can’t wait for the next shot.
Already developed a third testicle.
Can’t wait for the next shot.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 10:35 am to bulldawger
Got dose 2 of Pfizer 10 minutes ago.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 8:04 pm to wartiger2004
I feel completely fine.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 5:16 pm to AllbyMyRelf
Nope. I’ll be sitting pretty when y’all all grow tails and get lymphoma.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 10:30 pm to AllbyMyRelf
Taking a vaccine where the disease death rate is not leagues above the vaccine complication rate makes zero sense.
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