re: America Is Not For Black People

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Private schools and charter schools are the biggest issues facing our communities. Close them and have every child (outside of homeschoolers) integrated into the public school system and we would see almost immediate positive changes.

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Positive overall. Horrible for the kids in private and charter schools.

Choice. As a parent I like it. And I don't want some idgit with his or her head up his or her arse to pretend they know what's best for my kid when it comes to primary education. Geez, before too long they'll start outlawing bake sales or some such shite.

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There are plenty of countries with more educated children than ours. Tell me about their segregated education systems. I hope you realize private schools weren't started to make sure kids got a better education.

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And these countries you speak of have largely homogenous classrooms.

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There are plenty of countries with more educated children than ours. Tell me about their segregated education systems.

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tell me more about these countries that have blacks, asians, hispanics, and illegal aliens all being educated by the state, or the ones that don't test out their underachievers to trade school.

Hey, I know how we can make our schools better. SPEND MORE MONEY!! It has to work. It WILL work. I believe it.

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Hey, I know how we can make our schools better. SPEND MORE MONEY!! It has to work. It WILL work. I believe it.

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Most school funding comes from local sources. This is one thing people from a district can control by voting for/against property taxes or school board members that support your agenda.

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poverty

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No, it isn't poverty. As I said earlier, there's no one single cause. I personally think the cultural/family collapse that's happened in the black community plays a big part. In 1960, roughly 90% of white children and 78% of black children grew up in two family households. Now, roughly 75% of white children still grow up in a two parent household but depending on who's numbers you believe for black children it is somewhere between 25-35%. Of course, the mother's usually the parent regardless of race. The absence of a strong father figure to set a positive example leads to seeking that example on the street.

Anyhow, back to the poverty argument. There's a
really good Columbia University study that delves deeply into the subject going back to the turn of the century. Here's an excerpt where they compare black and hispanic murder rates:

In 2004, white and black victimization rates for men aged 25-34 were 5.5 and 81.6 respectively, while for Hispanics men in this age group the rate was below 30. Such a relatively low murder victimization rate seems surprising, since the two groups have similarly high poverty and dropout rates.


It goes on to discuss a variety of possible reasons to long to quote here but very interesting.

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Most black on black murders are gang related.

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Just plain wrong. Even the most widely cast net puts gang related murders at around 10%. The Columbia study also addresses this issue. The vast majority of black on black murders are the result of arguments between friends or acquaintances that escalate into violence ending in murder. A large number of white murders also result from escalated arguments, but the difference in other causes is much less, which brings up one of the questions people are scared to approach - why are so many young black males willing to kill over meaningless arguments? The Columbia study makes a very thought provoking assertion:


Individuals belonging to groups perceived to have low marginal penalties for killing will be feared, and they will accordingly also be killed with greater frequency. By the same token, individuals whose own deaths are less likely to be investigated and prosecuted vigorously will fear being killed, and may therefore be induced to kill preemptively.

It sort of pairs up with what StrawsDrawnAtRandom said. You've got a group of people that have been told (often by their own family) that the game's rigged, they've got no real value, and nobody cares about them. It really isn't surprising that they then view life in a different way.

If we want to change the situation, then we've got to change that attitude. I wish I knew how.

One more thing to address:

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So when a poor black kid does something stupid or wrong, you are saying its society's fault and said poor black kid has no obligation to take any responsibility?

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On the individual level, it is 100% the responsibility of the offender. In the case of murder fry his arse, I don't care. No, scratch that. I do care. Fry his arse.

At the macro level, even if society didn't cause the problem we all have a huge interest in solving it. The crime rate disparity plays a big part in the racial divide that still exists, we all pay to treat the victims and incarcerate the offenders, the violence doesn't just impact the 'hood, and if for no other reason as decent people we should care that over half the black teenagers who die each year do so because another black teenager murdered them.

One final thing. If national leaders could have a discussion on this topic as open and civil as this one has been, someone might actually come up with an idea.

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I'm sorry, this conversation has taken many twists and turns, but what isn't poverty?

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Murder/crime rate in general and specifically in the black community.