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Posted on 9/2/19 at 9:21 am to JesusQuintana
The same people who bought and paid for HCCM. The donors. The biggest reason why they don’t have money is bc BO isn’t a draw. He can’t put butts in seats. As for Leach he’s been highly successful at Tech and Wazzu. Both programs that Mizzou is better than. As for Doren, he has local ties and State fans are unrealistic about the school and his name is brought up in every coaching search bc he wants out.
Posted on 9/2/19 at 9:30 am to JAGsports
Lol, it’s not like Martin is putting any butts in the seats either.
Winning is the draw, not who the head coach is...and even then, expecting Mizzou fans to go to games seems like it’s too much to ask.
Winning is the draw, not who the head coach is...and even then, expecting Mizzou fans to go to games seems like it’s too much to ask.
Posted on 9/2/19 at 9:48 am to JAGsports
If Doren wants out, we should help him with that. Seems to be a good fit here and has some southern recruiting experience.
Posted on 9/2/19 at 10:00 am to JesusQuintana
I mean if you ignore that first season of Martin I agree. Winning is a draw but normally when you get a new exciting coach they will draw folks in and get a recruiting bump off of that. That never happened with BO.
Posted on 9/2/19 at 10:14 am to JAGsports
Well, I’m not sure hiring Jason Candle would set off a frenzy...
The attendance problems aren’t just Odom, though his shitty starts definitely contribute
The attendance problems aren’t just Odom, though his shitty starts definitely contribute
Posted on 9/2/19 at 10:20 am to JAGsports
In defense of Odom though, he played the part of fill in. We know Mizzou was toxic to coaches back then. I never really supported Odom thinking he was the answer, I just waited it out. Bo still isn't the answer and as soon as the AD realizes that, the better off we are. I have a good feeling what will probably happen though, BO will salvage the season with 6 or 7 wins, just enough to save his job. The pattern has already been set, and we will have to wait longer for the inevitable.
Posted on 9/2/19 at 10:27 am to JesusQuintana
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Our fans can be super negative about every coach, but they can’t bring themselves to acknowledge that fact. It’s an insanely difficult job. A great coach can produce passable results and a good one can be swallowed whole.
Yeah, I don't get it either. 1-5 starts and losing to.500 FBS teams should breed positivity.
I blame the fan base for having unrealistic expectations. The sooner we accept Mizzou will never be more than a Power 5 bottom feeder the better off we'll all be.
We should be glad SEC Nation comes at all with all our negativity.
Posted on 9/2/19 at 10:28 am to Mizzou4ever
I agree with the second half. From my understanding and this is just have I have heard. I don’t have sources or anything and I’m not claiming to. This isn’t the gospel and this could be 100% wrong but from what I’ve heard is that Matt Campbell would have taken the job and Rhodes was holding out for Matt Rhule. While the talks with Rhule were dragging out, Campbell went to ISU and Rhule didn’t want the gig and BO was all that was left.
Posted on 9/2/19 at 11:03 am to Mizzou4ever
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In defense of Odom though, he played the part of fill in. We know Mizzou was toxic to coaches back then. I never really supported Odom thinking he was the answer, I just waited it out. Bo still isn't the answer and as soon as the AD realizes that, the better off we are. I have a good feeling what will probably happen though, BO will salvage the season with 6 or 7 wins, just enough to save his job. The pattern has already been set, and we will have to wait longer for the inevitable.
And then we hire the next maybe, and odds are he won’t meet expectations
Rinse. Lather. Repeat
Taking constant rides on the coaching carousel is not a great idea for non elite programs.
Like I said though, if it comes to that then fire him, but there are no easy answers. This is nearly an impossible job.
Posted on 9/2/19 at 11:10 am to JesusQuintana
Going back to 1970, we've had a string of coaches (not counting GP) who stayed 3-6 years. All but Powers had losing records.
Do we just hire crappy coaches over and over?
Do we just hire crappy coaches over and over?
Posted on 9/2/19 at 12:04 pm to JesusQuintana
Yeah, I just don't agree with your negative spin on this job or our ability to find a decent replacement. There are precise steps to take right here on this board for the direction to follow. You just refuse to let it sink in. What's funny is you use to slap us older posters with the "woe is me" label when things went wrong, but here you are doing the same thing. This is not an impossible job, we have a decent football history, upgrade in facilities, and in the best football conference. This is doable with the right plan, homework, and finances.
Posted on 9/2/19 at 12:09 pm to Mizzou4ever
What exactly is doable? A consistent bowl team that periodically challenges for the division? Yeah, that’s doable.
I’m not sure what kind of bar you are setting here?
I’m not sure what kind of bar you are setting here?
Posted on 9/2/19 at 12:32 pm to JesusQuintana
Dude you're the one saying this job is nearly impossible. I'm saying that's BS, you say we are heading for this wash, rinse, repeat mode, I'm saying that's also BS. I'm not setting any bar other than the fact we can find a decent coach, something you seem scared of even trying.
Posted on 9/2/19 at 12:58 pm to JesusQuintana
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And then we hire the next maybe, and odds are he won’t meet expectations Rinse. Lather. Repeat Taking constant rides on the coaching carousel is not a great idea for non elite programs. Like I said though, if it comes to that then fire him, but there are no easy answers. This is nearly an impossible job.
Fire the AD! That is your answer!
Posted on 9/2/19 at 3:42 pm to Mizzou4ever
What result is “decent” though? Making a bowl every year? Winning a NC?
This is a bottom quarter of the SEC job. It just is. I’m not sure a “decent” coach is going to produce the results you are expecting.
This is a bottom quarter of the SEC job. It just is. I’m not sure a “decent” coach is going to produce the results you are expecting.
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Posted on 9/2/19 at 3:49 pm to JesusQuintana
So far Odom has blown 1-2 games each season he’s been here. If this is the game he blew this season most will have forgotten it by the end of the season. Mizzou is a 14 point favorite against WVU, so Vegas is still liking this team.
Posted on 9/2/19 at 4:04 pm to JesusQuintana
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What result is “decent” though? Making a bowl every year? Winning a NC?
You have to win 2-3 out of 8 SEC games to make a bowl. That should be a pretty reasonable expectation for about 80% of our seasons.
No one expects Odom to win a NC. I don’t expect Missouri to win one.
Challenge for a trip to Atlanta every four years or so.
That would be a pretty good showing. And I think it’s achievable, especially in the East. Florida and Georgia have a lot of advantages over us. The rest of the teams in our division don’t. And Arkansas is our permanent cross division opponent.
Beat Arkansas, Vandy and one other team in conference and you’ll go bowling every year. Almost guaranteed.
Posted on 9/2/19 at 4:32 pm to the808bass
I mean, that’s a reasonable expectation.
Tennessee and South Carolina definitely have built in advantages over us though.
My major problem with Odom is that he just can’t get the defense right. Can’t get enough players in the front 7 and keeps showing faith in Walters despite the results.
Tennessee and South Carolina definitely have built in advantages over us though.
My major problem with Odom is that he just can’t get the defense right. Can’t get enough players in the front 7 and keeps showing faith in Walters despite the results.
Posted on 9/2/19 at 4:34 pm to the808bass
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You have to win 2-3 out of 8 SEC games to make a bowl. That should be a pretty reasonable expectation for about 80% of our seasons. No one expects Odom to win a NC. I don’t expect Missouri to win one. Challenge for a trip to Atlanta every four years or so. That would be a pretty good showing. And I think it’s achievable, especially in the East. Florida and Georgia have a lot of advantages over us. The rest of the teams in our division don’t. And Arkansas is our permanent cross division opponent. Beat Arkansas, Vandy and one other team in conference and you’ll go bowling every year. Almost guaranteed.
Why I picked Missouri to go 10-2? That is still doable. I mean being realistic that is what I pick Missouri to finish this season. I thought about picking 11-1.So I will be upset if Missouri finish 9-3. Not good enough. I am saying Barry need to stop blowing games that Missouri is favored.
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