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re: Shitty Year for our Basketball team
Posted on 2/23/19 at 9:15 pm to wubilli
Posted on 2/23/19 at 9:15 pm to wubilli
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Also that team won’t lose anyone other than Nikko, so would be even better the next season
That's part of the problem. I know it won't/can't be done, but we need to process Mitchell Smith, Suggs, Santos, Nikko (whose only a junior I think) and replace them with legit D1/SEC level talent.
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Posted on 2/23/19 at 9:16 pm to reedus23
Tilmon is 1 of the best passing bigs in the country. But he’s best as a secondary player, unfortunately when Jontay got hurt Tilmon was asked to be more than that
Posted on 2/23/19 at 9:18 pm to reedus23
I’m ok with Suggs and Nikko.
The rest is a black hole.
The rest is a black hole.
Posted on 2/23/19 at 9:18 pm to the808bass
Mark Smith and Porter on the court with Pinson/Geist, Pickett, and Tilmon would be a much better offensive team.
Suggs, Watson, and Puryear are scoring a combined 14 ppg and playing over 20 minutes a piece. They are awful.
Suggs, Watson, and Puryear are scoring a combined 14 ppg and playing over 20 minutes a piece. They are awful.
This post was edited on 2/23/19 at 9:21 pm
Posted on 2/23/19 at 9:22 pm to the808bass
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I’m ok with Suggs and Nikko.
I have said the same thing in the past. But I think I say that because I've forgotten what it is like to actually be good. NCAA tourney good. I really don't think that any team that has Suggs and Nikko getting significant minutes is going to the NCAA tournament. Not this year obviously. Not the next. And not the next if Suggs is still playing significantly.
Posted on 2/23/19 at 9:23 pm to reedus23
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know it won't/can't be done, but we need to process Mitchell Smith, Suggs, Santos, Nikko (whose only a junior I think)
You really don’t need to process all of them. And there’s not likely to be that many impact players available.
Really you just needs 4-5 guards and 3 bigs.
Mizzou probably has the guards, though getting a guy like Beverly would be an upgrade. Just need Jackson and 1 other big
Really the bigs would be fine this year if their best Big didn’t blow his knee out.
Posted on 2/23/19 at 9:25 pm to wubilli
Beverly isn’t coming.
Posted on 2/23/19 at 9:29 pm to the808bass
Probably not, guards aren’t really the problem.
They have been ok this season and I think will be better next.
They need Tray Jackson to be good (say 8 & 4 in 20 minutes) and Tilmon to stay on the court.
They have been ok this season and I think will be better next.
They need Tray Jackson to be good (say 8 & 4 in 20 minutes) and Tilmon to stay on the court.
Posted on 2/23/19 at 9:44 pm to reedus23
The thing that bothers me most with Cuonzo is the style of play. It’s ugly. The offense sucks and the defense, while being solid, is not designed to create turnovers. If you suck in the half court you need to get some run outs and we very rarely do that.
Now, the talent level is bad. No doubt, but I’m not sure if his offense is ever going to be good. If we win, then fine but it’s boring as hell.
How much better we are next year basically comes down to how good Jackson is and how much Tilmon can stay on the floor (disagree with Reedus here, he’s very good when he plays) I really don’t understand the recruiting that’s being done for the final spot. We need another big, and we aren’t going after one. Better hope Jackson is the real deal.
Now, the talent level is bad. No doubt, but I’m not sure if his offense is ever going to be good. If we win, then fine but it’s boring as hell.
How much better we are next year basically comes down to how good Jackson is and how much Tilmon can stay on the floor (disagree with Reedus here, he’s very good when he plays) I really don’t understand the recruiting that’s being done for the final spot. We need another big, and we aren’t going after one. Better hope Jackson is the real deal.
Posted on 2/23/19 at 10:33 pm to JesusQuintana
If you look at the top defenses according to KenPom, very few actually turn teams over. If Cuonzo can get Mizzou to playing the type of defense that he coached at Tennessee and Cal then next season will be much better. They foul too much this season to be elite like some of his previous teams.
Posted on 2/23/19 at 10:40 pm to the808bass
You’ve got too much time on your hands...We played Bama once and the game was close same with S Carolina. Tenn by 12 on the road and gave them a game. Just because a game stretches to 10 points at the end doesn’t have anything to do with the actual competitiveness of the game. We lost to Arky by 12. Were we not in that game the entire time? Point being your negative about everything and really just not an opinion I really even think about.
Posted on 2/23/19 at 11:47 pm to reedus23
Get Tilmon some help down low and they are talking about Mark Smith's foot problem started in high school and might be something he will have to deal with the rest of his career. 
Posted on 2/24/19 at 5:27 am to seaniec04
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Just because a game stretches to 10 points at the end doesn’t have anything to do with the actual competitiveness of the game.
And the game with Kentucky at home wasn’t competitive and we lost by 8 which I didn’t include. We really haven’t been all that competitive. We’ve “hung in better than anyone expected” and then lost. A lot of games. This isn’t an acceptable season.
If you think it’s ok to be under .500 and have 3 conference wins at this point in the season, I’m not going to share your opinion.
Posted on 2/24/19 at 9:37 am to the808bass
Once Jontay got hurt you had to know this type of season was a probability. More important than wins is developing to program culture that will be able to win consistently in future years.
Right now there are 6 players you can build around for the next 2-3 seasons. Dru Smith, Mark Smith, Tilmon, Pickett, Pinson and Watson. It’s easier to add around those types.
Right now there are 6 players you can build around for the next 2-3 seasons. Dru Smith, Mark Smith, Tilmon, Pickett, Pinson and Watson. It’s easier to add around those types.
Posted on 2/24/19 at 9:43 am to the808bass
I don’t think anyone thinks this season should be the norm. But it is what it is. You’re coming off the worst stretch in program history. If you expected more than this without jontay that’s a you problem. Expectations vs reality. And it’s cool to say you expect more like a hardo but you know what fan base does that in the Midwest and is a laughingstock? Nebraska. It just looks more delusional than aspirational.
Posted on 2/24/19 at 11:05 am to JesusQuintana
Just to be clear JQ, I do think Tilmon is good when on the floor. I don't know if he's improved much about his game from last year. He was good last year. He's good this year.
Posted on 2/24/19 at 11:22 am to the808bass
PITIFUL: *Power forward contribution watch: 3 points (1/2 FG, 1/2FT), 2 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 fouls, 0 turnovers in 27 minutes (19 for Kevin Puryear, 5 for KJ Santos, 3 for Mitchell Smith). And this is pretty consistent this season.
We're playing 4 on 5 pick-up ball because of the above.
Tilmon has little bball IQ and the little he has, he's not using. Just a dumb player. He's a liability currently. Per Gabe because of his dumb fouls: "a guy that played 2 of the last 17 minutes and watched his team get outscored by a margin of 36-20 in that time period. So you tell me who to blame for the loss? Cause I know where I'd lay it."
Gotta flush all of KA's players out, then it's totally on HCCM. If this would had happened already, I'd call for HCCM's head.
We're playing 4 on 5 pick-up ball because of the above.
Tilmon has little bball IQ and the little he has, he's not using. Just a dumb player. He's a liability currently. Per Gabe because of his dumb fouls: "a guy that played 2 of the last 17 minutes and watched his team get outscored by a margin of 36-20 in that time period. So you tell me who to blame for the loss? Cause I know where I'd lay it."
Gotta flush all of KA's players out, then it's totally on HCCM. If this would had happened already, I'd call for HCCM's head.
This post was edited on 2/24/19 at 11:23 am
Posted on 2/24/19 at 12:06 pm to reedus23
I thought Nikko did a better job at FL
And I really don't understand why Tilmon and Nikko can't be on the floor at the same time.
And I really don't understand why Tilmon and Nikko can't be on the floor at the same time.
This post was edited on 2/24/19 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 2/24/19 at 2:33 pm to Mizsioux
That attitude assumes CM didn’t have any hand in shaping this year’s roster. He brought in Santos, who’s been a colossal failure. He assumed Santos would even be a backup for Jontay. He’s not.
He also processed two PGs last year.
So it’s not just a “me” problem. Some of it is a Coach problem.
He also processed two PGs last year.
So it’s not just a “me” problem. Some of it is a Coach problem.
Posted on 2/24/19 at 2:55 pm to the808bass
Harris plays even less at NC State than he did at Mizzou. Misevaluating Santos is really crushing this team.
They took him pretty early when a number of good options were available.
They took him pretty early when a number of good options were available.
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