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Posted on 1/15/13 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 1/15/13 at 9:52 pm
Inspired by Kilo's thread, I think we should start embracing our Yankee-hood and using it to our advantage. If you can't join 'em, beat 'em!
All in good fun, not meant to offend anyone
All in good fun, not meant to offend anyone
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Posted on 1/15/13 at 9:57 pm to KCM0Tiger
I know it's all a game to rustle jimmies.. and I know my opinion doesn't matter..
But I absolutely hate this civil war stuff. It's disgraceful to me, we were just as much if not more Confederate than Yankee. Only reason we had so many Yankee soldiers is because of the 30k German born men fresh off the boat.
Whatever, I know it's just a joke. But it bothers me. Guess I need to take things less serious. I just hate how we have no appreciation for history.
(That sound was me stepping off my soap box).
But I absolutely hate this civil war stuff. It's disgraceful to me, we were just as much if not more Confederate than Yankee. Only reason we had so many Yankee soldiers is because of the 30k German born men fresh off the boat.
Whatever, I know it's just a joke. But it bothers me. Guess I need to take things less serious. I just hate how we have no appreciation for history.
(That sound was me stepping off my soap box).
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Posted on 1/15/13 at 9:59 pm to mograyback
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Whatever, I know it's just a joke. But it bothers me. Guess I need to take thinks less serious.
As a Missourian, I understand your sentiment. However, we're never going to be able to convince the idiots of the Rant of the truth about Missouri, so we might as well conform to their stereotype and stick it in their face. The Rant is nothing to take seriously.
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Posted on 1/15/13 at 10:18 pm to mograyback
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But I absolutely hate this civil war stuff. It's disgraceful to me, we were just as much if not more Confederate than Yankee. Only reason we had so many Yankee soldiers is because of the 30k German born men fresh off the boat.
Whatever, I know it's just a joke. But it bothers me. Guess I need to take things less serious. I just hate how we have no appreciation for history.
The guy who doesn't like soldiers and thinks the CT school shooting was a conspiracy.
What's you real name? So when you go crazy as hell and shoot everything up we will know. Shouldn't be long now.
Posted on 1/15/13 at 10:29 pm to Mizzoufan26
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The guy who doesn't like soldiers and thinks the CT school shooting was a conspiracy.
What's you real name? So when you go crazy as hell and shoot everything up we will know. Shouldn't be long now.
? (scratching head)
I'm not seeing how this is all connecting.
What does my dislike for boasting about being yankees have to do with the other things you mentioned? And how does that make me a candidate to kill people? Odd.
Posted on 1/15/13 at 10:30 pm to KCM0Tiger
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As a Missourian, I understand your sentiment. However, we're never going to be able to convince the idiots of the Rant of the truth about Missouri, so we might as well conform to their stereotype and stick it in their face. The Rant is nothing to take seriously.
Yeah, I get that's what it's about.
Still bothers me a little, but I know that's what it's about.
Posted on 1/15/13 at 11:07 pm to mograyback
I choose to align with the just side on that whole civil war thing. Might be my Illinois upbringing, but I've really never had a desire to associate with 80% of the south.
Mizzou changing conferences hasn't changed that much for me.
Mizzou changing conferences hasn't changed that much for me.
Posted on 1/15/13 at 11:18 pm to mograyback
Most non Missouri posters on SECrant have no clue about Missouri history; ignorant of the fact that the number of distinct battles of the Civil War era fought in Mo were only exceeded by number of battles in Virginia and Tennessee.
Missouri was deeply split, and both the Union and Confederate flags claimed the state. My own family had soldiers fighting on both sides. Maternal side was Confederate and paternal fought for Union. Springfield rifle with bayonet, carried by his great-great-great grandfather hangs in our son's office. Family heirloom, but no one cares which side purchased it. It was a sad time in American history, no matter what political beliefs one held.
Missouri was deeply split, and both the Union and Confederate flags claimed the state. My own family had soldiers fighting on both sides. Maternal side was Confederate and paternal fought for Union. Springfield rifle with bayonet, carried by his great-great-great grandfather hangs in our son's office. Family heirloom, but no one cares which side purchased it. It was a sad time in American history, no matter what political beliefs one held.
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Posted on 1/15/13 at 11:20 pm to Mizzeaux
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I choose to align with the just side on that whole civil war thing. Might be my Illinois upbringing, but I've really never had a desire to associate with 80% of the south.
Mizzou changing conferences hasn't changed that much for me.
There really wasn't a just side.. the war wasn't fought over slavery.
Posted on 1/15/13 at 11:32 pm to mograyback
Nearly every issue involved could be boiled down to that one thing.
It may not have been the reason it was fought, but it was certainly a contributing factor in damn near every cause I've ever heard.
It may not have been the reason it was fought, but it was certainly a contributing factor in damn near every cause I've ever heard.
Posted on 1/16/13 at 12:39 am to Mizzeaux
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Nearly every issue involved could be boiled down to that one thing.
It may not have been the reason it was fought, but it was certainly a contributing factor in damn near every cause I've ever heard.
It was the excuse to fight, it wasn't the reason. The morality of slavery had nothing to do with it, which is what most think.
Posted on 1/16/13 at 1:06 am to KCM0Tiger
I think you missed the boat on this. That would have been great in Kilo's thread, but I think its in ours and everybody else's best interest to let civil war shite go. It was funny once, but it has high potential to get played out.
Posted on 1/16/13 at 12:24 pm to Stripes314
I live in Memphis and tell everyone I am a Midwest Farm boy. They get a kick out of that and everything is all right.
I tell them they have rednecks down here. In St. Louis where I am from have Hoosiers. Not a badge of honor like it is in Indiana. I always tell them that hoosier is a redneck, the only big difference is hoosiers are better dressers!!"
I tell them they have rednecks down here. In St. Louis where I am from have Hoosiers. Not a badge of honor like it is in Indiana. I always tell them that hoosier is a redneck, the only big difference is hoosiers are better dressers!!"
Posted on 1/16/13 at 1:55 pm to Mizzeaux
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Nearly every issue involved could be boiled down to that one thing.
No it didn't. Everything boiled down to what was states' rights and what the federal government could force upon them. Slavery was a part of that much bigger pie.
Posted on 1/16/13 at 1:57 pm to mograyback
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It was the excuse to fight, it wasn't the reason. The morality of slavery had nothing to do with it, which is what most think.
Yes. The sad part is Lincoln actually kept slavery in specific places WITHIN the declaration of proclamation. How could it be argued that slavery was the driving issue when Lincoln himself preserved slavery.
Posted on 1/16/13 at 2:43 pm to notsince98
Maybe because even the southern states said it was about slavery when they seceded. Slavery was the driving issue within the state's rights debate. I suspect if it wasn't for slavery, the state's rights issues would have resolved themselves without a civil war.
A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union
In the momentous step, which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product, which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.
A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union
In the momentous step, which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product, which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.
Posted on 1/16/13 at 3:31 pm to reedus23
Did you copy and paste that second part?
Machinery was just about to make slavery obsolete. Then the South would have been just like the North. They'd make the slaves go home at the end of the day instead of giving them food and shelter.
The Civil War was contrived in Europe, which is why the French and British armies were waiting on our northern and southern borders to clean up the scraps and keep this land in the European banking interests. Lincoln recognized this, which is why he decided to print 4 million greenbacks interest free instead of borrowing it from the European controlled banks.
The war was about economics. The Morill Tariff Act in '59 drove up taxes from 15% to about 50% in the south. Freeing slaves had nothing to do with the war, although slavery had some to do with it, just not as a moral issue, rather an economic issue.
Machinery was just about to make slavery obsolete. Then the South would have been just like the North. They'd make the slaves go home at the end of the day instead of giving them food and shelter.
The Civil War was contrived in Europe, which is why the French and British armies were waiting on our northern and southern borders to clean up the scraps and keep this land in the European banking interests. Lincoln recognized this, which is why he decided to print 4 million greenbacks interest free instead of borrowing it from the European controlled banks.
The war was about economics. The Morill Tariff Act in '59 drove up taxes from 15% to about 50% in the south. Freeing slaves had nothing to do with the war, although slavery had some to do with it, just not as a moral issue, rather an economic issue.
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Posted on 1/16/13 at 3:32 pm to reedus23
The south didn't fight the union because of slavery. The south fought the union because the union attacked the south. The union attacked the south because they seceded and the union would not stand for that. The union needed the resources the south provided.
Sure some states seceded because they wanted to make their own laws regarding slavery but that was not the civil war in a nutshell.
Sure some states seceded because they wanted to make their own laws regarding slavery but that was not the civil war in a nutshell.
Posted on 1/16/13 at 4:45 pm to mograyback
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Still bothers me a little, but I know that's what it's about.
BINGO! We have a winner!
You have answered your own misunderstanding about the none Mizzou ranters and this subject. It's their "ace in the hole" with us. Thier "jimmie rustlers". They know (especially porkerface) that they start calling us yankee's and saying things about how were not southern cause we were never confederates (civil war) and the whole pop vs coke thing along with other stupid shite, it's like fishing with a big chunk of stink bait and we bite everytime.
We just have to ignore it. Play along and maybe steal a page out of Kilo's book as a comeback when they pull the whole yankee subject out. Beleive me, they know the truth, they do.
Posted on 1/16/13 at 5:12 pm to mograyback
I get that are many variables and circumstances that contributed to the Civil War. One thing is pretty clear. Yes there were other issues but there would have been NO war if slavery wasn't an issue.
To say there was no moral element to the equation is not being completely honest to the events of that time period.
To say there was no moral element to the equation is not being completely honest to the events of that time period.
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