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Mike Scherer Interview

Posted on 10/31/16 at 9:08 pm
Posted by navynuke
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Posted on 10/31/16 at 9:08 pm
LINK

Makes an interesting statement about the locker room about the 6:40ish point:

quote:

Once guys around here really want it as much as he(Odom) does, which will happen


This post was edited on 10/31/16 at 9:09 pm
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 10/31/16 at 9:20 pm to
I'm still with Odom. He may not get it working, but it won't be for lack of busting his arse.

This train went off the tracks, but he deserves a chance to get a locker room full of his guys. He knows football. He just needs to learn what it takes to be a head man.
Posted by navynuke
Member since Jun 2016
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Posted on 10/31/16 at 9:38 pm to
The on field product suggested a gross lack of commitment but hearing the QB of the defense lay it out publicly is disappointing to hear.

Sounds like people listening to their has been uncles instead of the coaches.

Going to be an interesting off season.
This post was edited on 10/31/16 at 9:40 pm
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
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Posted on 10/31/16 at 9:44 pm to
I think there is little doubt that the buy in was very low and these guys were not doing what they were supposed to.

It sucks that we are here in football also, but you have to give the guy a chance to get his guys in and what he wants to run put on the field.

I do t think he forgot what he knew about football, and he was a hot coordinator that was moving up whether here or elsewhere.

I still think he's got the ability to be a good coach. This year went wrong, horribly wrong, but I still believe in his ability and his want to. I think he'll make changes when he needs to and try to do what's necessary to get things fixed. I'm willing to give him the chance to do so.
Posted by MIZ_COU
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Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:00 pm to
It's interesting that the same guys that never stopped fighting when he was DC now don't seem to give a shite when he's HC. Something with the assistants? They are almost all new?

and I watched the Ky highlights, the DL looked slow and was getting pushed all over the place, scheme be damned.
This post was edited on 11/1/16 at 8:32 am
Posted by wubilli
Columbia
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:20 pm to
D-Line ZOU got in their heads. Ship talked before the season about feeling like he could be a counselor. They were asked to do something different than what they had been doing. Seeing the results of mentally not doing what they needed to.
Posted by BurgTiger
Member since Feb 2014
3350 posts
Posted on 11/1/16 at 4:21 am to
Anyone here ever been around a bad record team? This is what happens. Players will turn on each other, even the good ones will start to blame the bad ones publicly. This is normal. Sad, but normal. If we start bad next year, that's when we should really worry.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 11/1/16 at 6:02 am to
quote:

Anyone here ever been around a bad record team? This is what happens.


And it doesn't always mean that it will get better with more effort from all players.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 11/1/16 at 6:12 am to
quote:

And it doesn't always mean that it will get better with more effort from all players.

No but it would be a start
Posted by JAGsports
Union Star
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 11/1/16 at 9:39 am to
I said from game one that the players mainly on defense were not buying in. People want to complain about Odom but he can't make players play. Who knows how many guys on the current roster he would actually want on his team. Funny thing is most posters blamed a lot of these guys for being protesters and locker room cancers but defend there play. I have seen some posters on here say that Odom is soft on his players. Reality is that he is tougher with them. I still see him out on that field coaching the guys up and holding them responsible. Guys like Tucker McCann he has handled differently but that guy is all about the mental game. Scherer said early on that no one bought in. Now people here are actually getting it. all this does is hurt draft stocks for guys like Charles Harris. Coaches will look further into this and find out that he doesn't take change well.
Posted by surgicalvenom
Omaha
Member since Jan 2014
6596 posts
Posted on 11/1/16 at 9:46 am to
So when Scherer was constantly out of his gap against LSU, so much the commentators take time to replay him out of position, is that because he is not buying in? Or is it because the new scheme requires him to maintain a gap and take on a pulling guard, something hes never done at Mizzou?
Posted by JAGsports
Union Star
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Posted on 11/1/16 at 11:53 am to
Means his football IQ isn't that high
Posted by surgicalvenom
Omaha
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Posted on 11/1/16 at 12:03 pm to
As the startin "Mike" LB, I'm sure he has a good football IQ. But he has spent 3 years pursuing and tackling. when the ball is snapped, it's hard to put away 3 years of acquired instincts. It's a pretty heavy indictment on players to assume they are not buying in or don't have the IQ for a sport they have played for years at a high level.

There aren't many players better than Khalil Mack in the NFL, and look how bad he struggled with Ken Nortons R&R scheme.
This post was edited on 11/1/16 at 12:04 pm
Posted by JAGsports
Union Star
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 11/1/16 at 1:38 pm to
College football isn't the highest level. Why do you think so many of the studs flop in the NFL. Bc they don't have the IQ. Talent will only take you so far but brains have to be there. The R&R isn't that hard to figure out.
Posted by surgicalvenom
Omaha
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Posted on 11/1/16 at 1:55 pm to
You couldn't be more wrong. You see it all the time with coaching changes in the NFL. Scheme changes are difficult because you have to rely on a different set of criteria. In an attack scheme, the DL is in control of the attack. He puts his hand down knowing what strategy he will employ. In Gap control he's taught to not penetrate past the OL's heels , remain in his gap and respond to keys. He has no control he only responds.

If you've been recruited because of your quick first step and speed and now you're not supposed to penetrate past the OL's heels, that really can be difficult to accept. If you're a smaller quicker LB, who now has to maintain a gap even with pulling guards blocking you, that's not gonna be easy.
Posted by JAGsports
Union Star
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 11/1/16 at 4:23 pm to
And the Higher the football IQ the easier for read and react. I am not wrong at all
Posted by Mizz-SEC
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Member since Jun 2013
22315 posts
Posted on 11/1/16 at 6:50 pm to
quote:

As the startin "Mike" LB, I'm sure he has a good football IQ. But he has spent 3 years pursuing and tackling. when the ball is snapped, it's hard to put away 3 years of acquired instincts. It's a pretty heavy indictment on players to assume they are not buying in or don't have the IQ for a sport they have played for years at a high level.


So then it falls back on coaching.

Good coaching doesn't try force a scheme on ill-suited personnel.

I mistakenly thought Barry Odom arrived at his Memphis defense out of neccessity, because he didn't have the DL horses to run the Mizzou scheme - and maybe he did.

If he did and then fell in love with his own creation to the point of forcing it onto a defensive culture and personnel ill-suited to it, shame on him. It could cost him his job and the program dearly for years.
This post was edited on 11/1/16 at 6:52 pm
Posted by navynuke
Member since Jun 2016
6520 posts
Posted on 11/1/16 at 7:59 pm to
He ran a one gap 3-4 Cover 2 at Memphis because he didn't have anyone that could play the 3-Tech in a 4-3 front and had a roster full of guys that could play LB.
Posted by Mizz-SEC
Inbred Huntin' In The SEC
Member since Jun 2013
22315 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 4:40 am to

So he showed an understanding of his personnel on hand and created his defense accordingly. Good coaching.

I'm sure this happens on defense too, but you always hear about the bullheaded HC or OC who installs his offense or makes 40 people learn his verbiage rather than grafting his playbook into the language the team already knows.

Navy... Do you think he made the correct choice based on the personnel on hand here? Or was it a toss up?
Posted by navynuke
Member since Jun 2016
6520 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 7:17 am to
He didn't make the decision based on the personnel, even though I question if there are guys that can play MLB and WLB in the Tampa 2 right now. The weaknesses of that defense are well documented.

He wanted a multiple front defense with a better pass defense in an effort to get off the field on 3rd down. It could have been better this year but it was going to be a process regardless. I don't agree with changing back at this point. They struggled when they installed the new offense in 2004 and stayed the course. They recruited to the scheme and won a lot of games in the following 10 years by doing so. That 2006 recruiting class owns the most wins in school history.

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