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Brutal, but spot on
Posted on 11/17/19 at 8:31 am
Posted on 11/17/19 at 8:31 am
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Posted on 11/17/19 at 8:42 am to sofa
For every area of progress we see with this team, we see an equal or greater area of regression.
My conclusion isn’t new, but it is that Odom knows football and doesn’t know how to manage people - either his coaches or players.
My conclusion isn’t new, but it is that Odom knows football and doesn’t know how to manage people - either his coaches or players.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 9:25 am to the808bass
We could have had Matt Rhule. Memphis got Norv. Both Baylor and Memphis are inside the top 20.
Hindsight.. She's a mother fricker.
Hindsight.. She's a mother fricker.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 9:33 am to blueprint_one
Yes. It is hindsight. Not being able to see the future isn’t special. But if we don’t use hindsight, then we’re stupid.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 11:08 am to the808bass
Or JQ
Ok that's redundant
Ok that's redundant
Posted on 11/17/19 at 2:04 pm to the808bass
He also struggles recruiting and hiring coaches.
Heupel was his best hire. If/When Odom is fired Heupel will be one of the top candidates to replace him.
Problem is that he may not want to leave UCF.
Heupel was his best hire. If/When Odom is fired Heupel will be one of the top candidates to replace him.
Problem is that he may not want to leave UCF.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 2:12 pm to the808bass
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My conclusion isn’t new, but it is that Odom knows football and doesn’t know how to manage people - either his coaches or players.
Agreed. When you see the manner in which some of his coaches left - without so much as a phone call in one instance - it feels like a total lack of respect / "frick you" on the way out the door.
Odom feels like he is football 20 hours a day to the exclusion of all else. I could see any real (or perceived) lack of similar intensity not ending well for them.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 2:14 pm to MizzouBS
Most of his hires have actually been good and worked out. Cross and Shipp were bad hires. Maybe Wilson because he only stayed 3 weeks.
Now Dooley looks like a bad hire. I still want more information about what happened. Odom leaves his OC mostly alone to run the offense. He probably needs to step in if he hasn’t done so already.
Now Dooley looks like a bad hire. I still want more information about what happened. Odom leaves his OC mostly alone to run the offense. He probably needs to step in if he hasn’t done so already.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 2:25 pm to MizzouBS
Lol, Heupel is slowly destroying UCF. That will be the best job he ever gets and he probably won’t have that in a couple years
Posted on 11/17/19 at 7:56 pm to wubilli
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Most of his hires have actually been good and worked out. Cross and Shipp were bad hires. Maybe Wilson because he only stayed 3 weeks. Now Dooley looks like a bad hire. I still want more information about what happened. Odom leaves his OC mostly alone to run the offense. He probably needs to step in if he hasn’t done so already.
Why have you and others not seeing that Kelly Bryant might be the problem? He is not that good. That was a huge mistake to get him. On the other hand who else is good to start for Mizzou? No one! BO would not throw in the rookie as a starter. Also maybe Kelly Bryant and BO agreed to let him play each game as long as he is healthy. He might have asked for a guaranty not to get demoted before coming to Mizzou.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 8:40 pm to TrueLefty
So basically Odom dropped the ball on the most important position in football. He had no plan after Lock left, he threw a Hail Mary that connected with Bryant.
Hell if Bryant didn't come here, we're probably what, 4-6 right now? No way we beat Ole Miss.
Hell if Bryant didn't come here, we're probably what, 4-6 right now? No way we beat Ole Miss.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 6:28 am to the808bass
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For every area of progress we see with this team
Go on......the only thing this team excels at is penalties and the 6 yard dropping passes from KB
Posted on 11/18/19 at 8:40 am to JesusQuintana
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Lol, Heupel is slowly destroying UCF. That will be the best job he ever gets and he probably won’t have that in a couple years
Posted on 11/18/19 at 9:47 am to the808bass
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My conclusion isn’t new, but it is that Odom knows football and doesn’t know how to manage people - either his coaches or players.
Correction: Yes, Odom knows the defensive side of football. His HC weaknesses and several of his issues are people management:
Field/game management
Game prep
Recruiting
Player development
Leadership development
Hiring
Offensive side of the game
Management of subordinates (OC, ST)
That's a lot.
He's the same guy we hired 4 years ago. Inexperienced and lacking the HC tools to succeed. Mizzou was crippled at the time and had little choice but to hire Odom. That is not the case now.
He's a darn good human being that might someday be a really outstanding HC. But he's just not ready especially at this level of ball.
There is a reason that Mark Stoops continues to own Odom. If you're a competent coach, you can beat Odom's teams on and off the field.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 2:28 pm to Mizzou Mule
When a player does something stupid, which is every other play, BOder literally pats them on the arse and tells them to get em next time. Compare that to when a player screws up at Oklahoma or Bama. They get their asses sat down and royally chewed out. I watched examples of all of that this weekend, and every weekend of the season.
This post was edited on 11/18/19 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 11/18/19 at 2:48 pm to MIZ_COU
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When a player does something stupid, which is every other play, BOder literally pats them on the arse and tells them to get em next time. Compare that to when a player screws up at Oklahoma or Bama. They get their asses sat down and royally chewed out. I watched examples of all of that this weekend, and every weekend of the season.
Maybe there is no one else to take his spot? Mizzou does not have a lot of depth!
Posted on 11/18/19 at 2:51 pm to Mizzou Mule
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Correction: Yes, Odom knows the defensive side of football. His HC weaknesses and several of his issues are people management: Field/game management Game prep Recruiting Player development Leadership development Hiring Offensive side of the game Management of subordinates (OC, ST) That's a lot. He's the same guy we hired 4 years ago. Inexperienced and lacking the HC tools to succeed. Mizzou was crippled at the time and had little choice but to hire Odom. That is not the case now. He's a darn good human being that might someday be a really outstanding HC. But he's just not ready especially at this level of ball. There is a reason that Mark Stoops continues to own Odom. If you're a competent coach, you can beat Odom's teams on and off the field.
Please have a list of coaches that will get Mizzou to compete for the SEC division and championships every year? Also Mizzou will be near the bottom of the pecking order to get one of the top coaches.
This post was edited on 11/18/19 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 11/18/19 at 3:10 pm to TrueLefty
I would venture to say that there is a short list but getting the coach here is the problem.
A slightly bit off-topic but I just asked Gabe on twitter about how close Matt Rhule was to becoming Mizzou's coach in 2015 and he said that he was offered the job and declined. This was news to me and to be quite frank, depressing that a coach from Temple wouldn't come here (even with the protests).
A slightly bit off-topic but I just asked Gabe on twitter about how close Matt Rhule was to becoming Mizzou's coach in 2015 and he said that he was offered the job and declined. This was news to me and to be quite frank, depressing that a coach from Temple wouldn't come here (even with the protests).
Posted on 11/18/19 at 3:11 pm to Mizz-SEC
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Lol, Heupel is slowly destroying UCF. That will be the best job he ever gets and he probably won’t have that in a couple years
I can understand that. Kelly Bryant seems to be a bad fit or the OC + receiver coach need to change or be replaced? If that can be done then might be good? Who really knows? Maybe a new head coach is really needed but again who will get this fix in the top of the conference? Memphis is not an upgrade since his defense sucks big time. Offense might struggled since not played against SEC teams. Got to have better HC + better OC + better DC. How can you accomplish all that and think SEC teams are easy to beat with their 4* and 5* players. Some will strike out like UCLA? and others slowly fading away. SEC is a top conference due to 4* and 5* players on team and Missouri does not have that type of powerhouse to compete for those players.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 3:31 pm to TrueLefty
For some reason, I was just reminded of a time when I tried to read my chemistry lesson while still drunk from the night before.
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