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Posted on 7/27/16 at 2:18 pm to pauliebleaker
Looks like Odom is hitting the ground running on the recruiting trail.
A cautious thumbs up to his and his staff's efforts.
A cautious thumbs up to his and his staff's efforts.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 4:46 pm to the808bass
Posted on 7/27/16 at 5:17 pm to JesusQuintana
A radio interview of Gabe DeArmond with an overview of the past few days. LINK
Posted on 7/27/16 at 6:23 pm to TJJefferson
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Really next to no difference in the recruiting classes but a difference of 20 spaces. So stop fricking whining about stars and class ranks fricking twat babies.
I hear you, but rankings and star ratings do help indicate a teams success. Will we have outliers, of course, but that's expected in most statistical models.
While its an subjective science, it has been proven National Champions are built on top 20 recruiting classes.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 8:55 pm to TJJefferson
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Really next to no difference in the recruiting classes but a difference of 20 spaces. So stop fricking whining about stars and class ranks fricking twat babies.
Stars and rankings aren't the end all. It is also a little bit of what comes first, the chicken or the egg. Yes, recruits get a bump by committing or being offered by particular schools. But they get bumps by Mizzou offers/commitments too. The difference is between a 3* going to 4* or 5* and kids going from unranked to getting bumped to a 3*. At the end of the day, the last several national champions and where their preceding 5 classes ranked.
Bama: 1, 1, 1, 1, 1
OSU: 3, 2, 5, 7, 15
FSU: 11, 3, 2, 7, 13
Bama: 1, 1, 5, 2, 3
Aub: 6, 22, 24, 10, 11
Bama: 2, 3, 13, 15, 21
That's 21 of the 30 potential classes being in the top 10. All in the top 25.
So are stars everything? No. Are they a decent enough indicator for fans (NOT COACHES!!!)? Sure, as long as you're not living and dying by them.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 8:56 pm to countrygrammar
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While its an subjective science, it has been proven National Champions are built on top 20 recruiting classes.
It probably took you less time to type this than it did for me to look up and type mine.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 9:57 pm to reedus23
I agree with you guys. Pay recruiting sites are a joke though, because anyone can id those top guys and top teams and the rest is just there to trick die hard fans into paying.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 10:35 pm to TJJefferson
I hear ya.
Really am cautiously optimistic with the job Odom has done thus far. I can't wait to see Miller and Cook on campus. Haven't watched the tape of the other 2 yet.
Really am cautiously optimistic with the job Odom has done thus far. I can't wait to see Miller and Cook on campus. Haven't watched the tape of the other 2 yet.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 10:51 pm to reedus23
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Really am cautiously optimistic with the job Odom has done thus far. I can't wait to see Miller and Cook on campus. Haven't watched the tape of the other 2 yet.
Bledsoe went from unrated to a 3 star on 247 and will likely do the same on Rivals. Even if Rivals gives him a two, he has legit ball skills in the secondary and makes plays as a returner.
Bledsoe
LINK
Here is Ford's Hudl
LINK
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Posted on 7/27/16 at 11:02 pm to navynuke
Bledsoe = Looked solid.
Camera Man = Not so much.
Camera Man = Not so much.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 8:07 am to reedus23
Ford's coach said he ran a 4.38 when healthy.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 8:39 am to JesusQuintana
He also said that the staff did the best job of recruiting a player he had seen in 26 years. Might be coaches speak, might not.
Those big plays are nice but the real value is found in what a player does when he isn't getting the ball. His technique isn't always the best but he blocks his position. I'd like to see more film of what he is doing when he is running secondary routes but Hill wouldn't be ok with him if he wasn't selling routes in support of his teammates.
Those big plays are nice but the real value is found in what a player does when he isn't getting the ball. His technique isn't always the best but he blocks his position. I'd like to see more film of what he is doing when he is running secondary routes but Hill wouldn't be ok with him if he wasn't selling routes in support of his teammates.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 8:59 am to reedus23
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Bama: 1, 1, 1, 1, 1
OSU: 3, 2, 5, 7, 15
FSU: 11, 3, 2, 7, 13
Bama: 1, 1, 5, 2, 3
Aub: 6, 22, 24, 10, 11
Bama: 2, 3, 13, 15, 21
The truth is that MU isn't ever going to recruit on that kind of level. Bama, FSU, and tOSU have built in recruiting advantages that few other schools possess. Bama and tOSU have two of the best coaches of our generation.
FSU and Auburn won NCs on the back of Heisman Trophy winning QB play. Cam Newton willed Auburn to several close wins that season. It is worth pointing out that Auburn went 4-12 in SEC play the two seasons after Newton left. Those teams were composed of multiple top 10 recruiting classes.
FSU faced a very weak regular season schedule in 2013 but won when it all mattered, mainly because of Winston's play in the 4th qtr and an injury on a KO that gave FSU great field position for their final drive.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 9:40 am to navynuke
My point isn't that top 10 classes guarantee a national championship but if you want to win a national championship you have to have some top 10 classes thrown in the mix somewhere. Btw not expecting that from BO in year 1
Posted on 7/28/16 at 10:07 am to reedus23
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if you want to win a national championship you have to have some top 10 classes thrown in the mix somewhere.
This won't ever be the formula for MU. The 2010 class had 7 4* and above rated players in it, the most ever under GP. Two classes after what was previously the best two season stretch in the last 30 years of MU FB and they had 7 "elite" recruits.
They are going to have to have a two deep of experienced upperclassmen that play assignment based FB with some elite underclassmen scattered through out it. That model can work with good coaching. It should have worked in 2013.
This post was edited on 7/28/16 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 7/28/16 at 10:14 am to reedus23
Posted on 7/28/16 at 10:34 am to reedus23
I agree but...
Consistently recruiting top classes simply means you have more "prototype" players at every position so you have more quality depth. That however doesn't stop a team from fielding a high level first string and competing for a NC.
Chase Daniels just couldn't stop overthrowing receivers in 2007, and the defensive scheme in 2013 vs Auburn was ineffective and coaching was too rigid to change. Programs like Oregon, Okie Light, Baylor, TCU and Michigan State have proven that scheme and coaching can overcome recruiting depth (though Michigan State is now recruiting great).
We just need one of those teams (I obviously prefer Mizzou) to finish the job and make people re-examine recruiting rankings.
I find it interesting that NC's are being dominated by the same coaches and/or extremely dominate QB play.
Consistently recruiting top classes simply means you have more "prototype" players at every position so you have more quality depth. That however doesn't stop a team from fielding a high level first string and competing for a NC.
Chase Daniels just couldn't stop overthrowing receivers in 2007, and the defensive scheme in 2013 vs Auburn was ineffective and coaching was too rigid to change. Programs like Oregon, Okie Light, Baylor, TCU and Michigan State have proven that scheme and coaching can overcome recruiting depth (though Michigan State is now recruiting great).
We just need one of those teams (I obviously prefer Mizzou) to finish the job and make people re-examine recruiting rankings.
I find it interesting that NC's are being dominated by the same coaches and/or extremely dominate QB play.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 12:00 pm to surgicalvenom
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Chase Daniels just couldn't stop overthrowing receivers in 2007, and the defensive scheme in 2013 vs Auburn was ineffective and coaching was too rigid to change. Programs like Oregon, Okie Light, Baylor, TCU and Michigan State have proven that scheme and coaching can overcome recruiting depth (though Michigan State is now recruiting great). We just need one of those teams (I obviously prefer Mizzou) to finish the job and make people re-examine recruiting rankings.
It's a diffcult road to climb because you will always run into teams that have those studs we would love to have on our team, but say they are more hype than substance when they choose another program.
I would love to see Mizzou hoist that trophy up and doing it in a fashion that makes everyone take notice. Our coach recognizes the disconnect and is vocally stating we need to recruit at an elite level, because like us he sees where we can be. That means we need those 4/5 star talented individuals combined with the 3/2 players we can develop.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 12:17 pm to navynuke
Good article and don't disagree. All I'm saying is that we can enjoy winning with that formula. If we want to win a national championship, then some top 10 classes are needed. I am thrilled watching winning seasons. I'd love to see a national championship in my lifetime though
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