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re: Feleipe Franks is going to be a Top 10 NFL Draft Pick

Posted on 9/23/18 at 2:46 pm to
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 9/23/18 at 2:46 pm to
Neither of those games were because Franks was playing amazing. Having the ball in enemy territory for the majority of the game but only having 8 and 9 passes completed (Colorado State and Tennessee) is still absolutely, ridiculously bad.
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 9/23/18 at 2:53 pm to
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franks will have to step up and prove that he has what it takes to drive down the team down the field for points. preferably touchdowns. he hasn't done that since the 99 yard drive against kentucky.


So, since the last time he had to???

quote:

do you think he has what it takes when we're down 3 points to georgia with 30 secs left on the clock

No, we wont beat UGA. I never said Franks was top tier, I just said he's the best we have. Some ppl on here have a problem with that, even with the QB whisperer Mullen agreeing.

These last 2, hell last 3 games Mullen couldve pulled Franks for Trask in relief or for bad play.. He didnt. And when Trask did get on the field it was to hand the ball off. So that tells me that Trask hasnt done much in the filmroom or in practice to make Coach Mullen consider giving him a try. Franks will start the rest of the season barring injury or complete meltdown. Deal with it. I already said idgaf who starts, but Mullen seems pretty invested in Franks so he must be the best we have that he's willing to play.

This post was edited on 9/23/18 at 3:00 pm
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 9/23/18 at 3:09 pm to
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So, since the last time he had to???


No, he didn't do it when he had to. There were tons of drives wasted by poor decision making (old and new Franks) and terrible passes (old and new Franks).

I doubt we would even be having this conversation if Kentucky caught 2 or 3 of the 6 balls Franks put directly into their hands.

As to the second part: You guys have to stop acting like we're kicking your dog when we say Franks needs more time to develop and step up.

The entire team is stepping up around him with catching for him, running hard and turning the ball over. He is the only piece to the team that seems to underperform almost every game.
This post was edited on 9/23/18 at 3:11 pm
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
19837 posts
Posted on 9/23/18 at 3:20 pm to
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As to the second part: You guys have to stop acting like we're kicking your dog when we say Franks needs more time to develop and step up.

No, we get tired that you guys just keep crying over every pass hoping it will force a switch that hasnt happened. KY game was how long ago, youre still bringing it up?? Pro QBs have picks dropped as well, you never hear ppl say "Oh yeah, well back in week 1 so n so dropped what wouldve been a pick 6." It's pretty sad at this point. Ok, here we go, I'll save you 4 months of crying.

Franks is avg at best.
OK?
Cool?

But, he's also the best we have on the roster for the season so.......... saddle up
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
19837 posts
Posted on 9/23/18 at 3:29 pm to
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I doubt we would even be having this conversation if


If
If
If
If

IF CeCe is in the KY game, Or IF our DL could make tackles, their QB wouldnt have been able to scramble around, slip tackles and throw 20 plus yard td's to wide open wrs.
IF Reese is in the game, their RB wouldnt have ran up our arse for 4 qtrs.
IF a good fg was called good. It changes the game.
IF JS catches the pass out of the backfield that hit him in both hands its a first down.

Isnt this fun? We can IF shite to death all day long. It is what it is.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 9/23/18 at 3:30 pm to
I think it's way too late for a switch at Quarterback, but -- why get this invested in rebutting for an average Quarterback? I mean, if you're resolved to just watching him play, then why complain about those talking about what needs to be fixed?

Just for perspective:

Florida had 7 turnovers (counting the 4th down stand)

Franks had 9 completions (this week).

Franks had 8 completions (last week).

Everyone is doing their job except one position.

And you're saying we don't have a right to complain?
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
19837 posts
Posted on 9/23/18 at 3:37 pm to
nm


jeez
This post was edited on 9/23/18 at 3:42 pm
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 9/23/18 at 3:43 pm to
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nm


jeez


Yeah, that's fricking bad.

Driskel got sacked 8 times in one game (one less than Franks actually completed a pass) and still managed to complete 13 passes.

These excuses have got to stop, he is not stepping up.
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
19837 posts
Posted on 9/23/18 at 3:44 pm to
Posted by atlgator
Jacksonville, Atlanta, Gainesville
Member since Aug 2014
5520 posts
Posted on 9/23/18 at 9:13 pm to
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Also - and this is just one more reason why I'm willing to trust mullen on franks...

Dak Prescott Sophomore Year
58% completions, 10 TD, 7 INT, 176.4 yards per game

Dak Prescott Junior Year
62% completions, 27 TD, 11 INT, 265.3 yards per game

Mullen knows how to develop QBs.


I can only get so erect
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 9/23/18 at 9:51 pm to
Franks 2017: 54.6%
Franks 2018: 52.6%.

This is with the FCS game, which he didn't have last year.

Games with less than 10 completions 2017: 4
Games with less than 10 completions 2018: 2 out of 4 games.


Some guys just aren't meant to be Quarterbacks.

Posted by atlgator
Jacksonville, Atlanta, Gainesville
Member since Aug 2014
5520 posts
Posted on 9/24/18 at 10:07 am to
You won’t change my mind on this Straws

Franks is SO much better than last year, it’s mind blowing. No, he’s not perfect. Yes, he will struggle at times this year. But to ignore his progress is silly.

His completion percentage would be closer to 60% if he didn’t have 2-3 drops per game.
This post was edited on 9/24/18 at 10:07 am
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 9/24/18 at 10:22 am to
I haven't been given a reason to change my mind. If the defense doesn't drop the 5 - 7 other interceptions in the Kentucky game he would be well on his way to meeting his interception total last year.

Fact of the matter is:

First people blamed the offensive line.
Then they blamed the defense.
Then it was the WRs (still is for you).
Then it was the RBs aren't just running hard.

Since the KY game:

OL: 3 hurries in 33 dropbacks. (1 per 11)
Defense: Improved in every single category from hurries to turnovers.
WRs: It's hard to catch when your QB is comically poor reading the field and late with his throws as well as wildly inaccurate.
RBs: 128 to almost 200 yards of production every week.

So the team is averaging more yards on the ground, still defending the pocket admirably and the defense has completely overhauled and now has the most turnovers in the country.

Again, sometimes guys just aren't cut out for QB. Even if we count those drops and nullify the interceptions that were also drops, he's still around his average from last year.

So even when his OL blocks better, his RBs run better and the defense does its job, good ol' Franks is still shooting the exact same number he was last year and against worse competition. He's better, but it's hard to be worse than he was last year.
Posted by atlgator
Jacksonville, Atlanta, Gainesville
Member since Aug 2014
5520 posts
Posted on 9/24/18 at 3:03 pm to
Maybe there shouldn’t be any blame for anybody right now.

The team is scoring 41 points per game. EVERYBODY is doing their jobs better, regardless of competition. I don’t care about his “dropped could’ve been interceptions”, I care about scoring points and winning games. So far, Franks has given us a better opportunity to score points and win games than he did at any point last year. He’s not great, but he has been distinctively better than last year, and we’re getting the best quarterback play we’ve seen since Tebow left.

He has the rest of this season and another two years to grow into this offense. He is going to be fine. Mullen is working absolute wonders. Let’s relax on the hate schtick. He has looked like a completely different guy than what we saw a year ago. If this was his first season starting, we would be fired up about the future. We’re 4 games into the Mullen offense. Franks leads the SEC in touchdown passes 1/3 of the way through the season. He’s on pace for THIRTY SIX TD PASSES. That is an INSANELY good job by Mullen and Franks. I don’t care about the running backs, the wide receivers, the OL, anything. I care that Franks has progressed to the point that he can throw multiple TD passes in every game we’ve played this season.
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 9/24/18 at 3:14 pm to
Yeah, but he isn't Straws boy Trask so he isn't any good. I read on this board that Franks was braindead...how in the living HELL did he manage to throw 12 TD passes?? It wasn't Trask who threw them...otherwise Straws would be sucking that dick.

Give it up Straws...you are trying to swim upriver with any negative shite you can find and not acknowledge what is so frickING obvious to others. Stop making yourself look like a total tard. And I will continue my blasting as long as you bash a kid who doesn't deserve it. Mullen is all IN...got it? Don't waste the hate here and contact Mullen instead.
Posted by UFMatt
Gator Nation - Everywhere
Member since Oct 2010
11431 posts
Posted on 9/24/18 at 3:22 pm to
IMO,It's time to call a truce on the Frank's argument.

At the end of the day, we are all Gators and want the team to succeed. We are 3-1 with some big games coming. One player isn't going to win or lose those games. Lets just all be Gators and support the team, coaches and be loyal fans for a while.

in all kinds of weather, we'll all stick together for F-L-O-R-I-D-A

go Gators!
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 9/24/18 at 3:53 pm to
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Maybe there shouldn’t be any blame for anybody right now.


This just doesn't fly with me. This idea that we just have to give him more and more time, to me, is just a waste. Not that I can change anything, but it's obvious that the rest of the team (as you alluded) is holding down the fort while he progresses, as snail-like as it is.

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He’s on pace for THIRTY SIX TD PASSES.


Let me throw some water on that blanket. We've played:

CHSU, an FCS.
Kentucky, a decent team (and he threw horribly and had, potentially six picks)
Colorado State, a team who lost to an FCS.
Tennessee, the worst team in the East.

Like we have had a comically easy schedule and the turnovers have been completely in our favor. Of course he's going to have an outrageously good touchdown to interception ratio.

MSST is the game I said would make or break him, let's wait for that.

P.S. to everyone else:

ATL and I are talking about this intelligently and without insulting each other, and honestly we're probably coming to a harmonious end to the conversation, or at least a better understanding.

He doesn't presume my argument, he doesn't say OH SCRAWS UR JUST SALTY CAUSE TRASK AIN'T THE STARTER. We just deal with the arguments, you guys could learn from this.
Posted by atlgator
Jacksonville, Atlanta, Gainesville
Member since Aug 2014
5520 posts
Posted on 9/24/18 at 9:13 pm to
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CHSU, an FCS.
Kentucky, a decent team (and he threw horribly and had, potentially six picks)
Colorado State, a team who lost to an FCS.
Tennessee, the worst team in the East.

Like we have had a comically easy schedule and the turnovers have been completely in our favor. Of course he's going to have an outrageously good touchdown to interception ratio.


I don’t care about “potential interceptions”. Those don’t count. I could say that he has had 10 drops at least this season, which is probably accurate, and his completion percentage would be ~60%. Then there’s literally no complaint in any facet of his game. We can’t just pick and choose “well he had 6 potential picks” and ignore he’s had a ton of drops. They all balance out. And at the end of the day his numbers are what they are. Let’s only deal with the actual numbers and stop with the “could’ve had, should’ve had” type arguments for or against him.

He needs to make decisions quicker, yes. That comes with comfort in the offense and with comfort in what opposing defenses are doing. Last year, it didn’t matter how bad the teams we played were, Franks threw for 9 TDs all season long. And had, what, 8 picks? It was not a foregone conclusion that he would have an outrageously good TD to INT ratio, or that he’d be tied for the lead in the league in touchdown passes. He had done nothing to prove he could do that. If we were told Franks would be tied for the lead in the sec in TD passes 1/3 of the way through the season, even the pumpiest of the pumpers would have said you’re crazy.

What’s happening here is we as fans are moving the goal posts. We are able to do this because Franks has played so beyond our expectations to this point. We’re so used to bad QB play, that when we see improved QB play, we think our eyes are deceiving us and we nitpick him because we’ve been conditioned to complain about QB play for so long. He’s not perfect. He needs to make quicker reads. I don’t know yet if I trust him. But he’s proving he IS coachable. He’s proving he has the talent to be an SEC quarterback. He’s proving that there may not be a better quarterback coach in the entire country than Dan Mullen.

I am unbelievably excited to see his continued progression under Coach Mullen. What we’ve seen is through 4 games. He’s basically a true freshman in Mullen’s system. Just wait until hes another year more comfortable in Mullen’s offense and with opposing defenses. The games will slow down, the reads will be quicker, and we will see him develop into a top NFL prospect. That’s what we’re witnessing the beginning of.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 9/24/18 at 9:50 pm to
His drops would move him up to 53% vs. FBS teams, which would still be worse than his last year, man.

I mean, he will advance, but he's not going to be a top 10 NFL draft pick. This system is protecting him, but he's pretty much the same guy as last year, just the team around him is better.

Do you think he keeps his stats up vs. LSU, UGA and MSST?
Posted by atlgator
Jacksonville, Atlanta, Gainesville
Member since Aug 2014
5520 posts
Posted on 9/24/18 at 10:42 pm to
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This system is protecting him, but he's pretty much the same guy as last year, just the team around him is better.


Why is everybody else better, except for him? I think you’re right that the system is protecting him, but that is by design to help him execute the gameplan to the best of his ability. What coach doesn’t protect a young quarterback and try to put them in the best positions to be successful? It’s a sign we’re well coached and that he’s executing what he’s being asked to do. That’s lightyears better than last year, when we weren’t well coached and Franks could barely execute a handoff.

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Do you think he keeps his stats up vs. LSU, UGA and MSST?


I have no idea. I don’t know if he’ll throw for 3 touchdowns a game against those teams, but how many quarterbacks in the country would? I’d venture to guess not many. I’d also guess they haven’t given up 3 TD passes in a game to any QB all year. That’s another example of moving the goalposts. We’re able to have the conversation “will Franks keep throwing for 3 TD passes per game” and we are 1/3 of the way through the season. That’s unbelievable improvement over last year. I’m excited about our coaches and I’m excited about our quarterback. If he continues to be put in positions to be successful by the staff, he will have an opportunity to keep this up. The competition is tougher, but we’re getting better. Franks is going to be absolutely fine. And he will be an early NFL draft pick. I will die on this hill with Franks
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