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ConwayGamecock
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re: UNC Admits Academic Fraud: Lack Of Institutional Controls, *NCAA Issues 3rd NOA
Pretty sad testimony from Tydreke Powell, a former UNC FB player:

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CockInYourEar
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re: UNC Admits Academic Fraud: Lack Of Institutional Controls, *NCAA Issues 3rd NOA
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Pretty sad testimony from Tydreke Powell, a former UNC FB player:


....wow, "If you came he for an education, you should have gone to Harvard," - Butch Davis

"if you find out there was a basketball player in your class, and you dropped it, man, you 'ignant,' that's an "A" class."


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re: UNC Admits Academic Fraud: Lack Of Institutional Controls, *NCAA Issues 3rd NOA
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Pretty sad testimony from Tydreke Powell, a former UNC FB player:


Money shot...

Interviewer @ -01:44 : Do you think Roy Williams knows?

Tydreke : whoa man, whoa w man, man you know he know man, you know he know man, Roy Williams a snake man





FWIW, dude was a communications graduate from UNC and if you listen to the whole interview it is obvious just how much he was not taught communications at UNC.


CockInYourEar
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re: UNC Admits Academic Fraud: Lack Of Institutional Controls, *NCAA Issues 3rd NOA
http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/12/09/4390204_the-unc-academic-scandal-told.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&rh=1

New & Observer finally got copies of the emails, after asking for 2 years.

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This email captures the UNC scandal in a nutshell: Wayne Walden, the academic counselor to basketball players, asking Debby Crowder, a department manager, to place a learning disabled athlete in one of her “independent study type” classes, past the deadline for joining a new class and with the goal of keeping the athlete eligible to play on the court.




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Wainstein, a former chief of staff for the FBI, did not cite this Walden-Crowder email in his 131-page report, but included it in 1,100 pages of supplemental records.




So they're still finding things that Wainstein (who was paid to do so by UNC) didn't report in his investigation. If they don't get slapped with lack of institutional controls, all bets are off. There is no such thing as a student athlete.


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re: UNC Admits Academic Fraud: Lack Of Institutional Controls, *NCAA Issues 3rd NOA
It's a fairly unanimous opinion that UNC should get the death penalty for this ... everyone except UNC people of course.


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It's a fairly unanimous opinion that UNC should get the death penalty for this ... everyone except UNC people of course.


It actually made me think about what happened in a similar long term situation and how the offending team was punished. UCLA under 15 - 20 years of Papa Sam. Bruins were investigated for at least 15 years most of which were the most productive in UCLA history. In the end they only went after the last few years (starting after Wooden) and they got like 2 years probation. The NCAA did not make UCLA vacate a single NCAA title.

While few outside of Chapel Hill would say some NCAA titles should be vacated in the end I bet they get to keep all of them. If Kansas, Kentucky, or Indiana had done this all would have already felt the death penalty. UK got busted for 1,000 bucks, Kansas got busted for ticket scalping, and Indiana got their NCAA hammer from texting! Duke and UNC do far worse and not one banner has been taken down yet.


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re: UNC Admits Academic Fraud: Lack Of Institutional Controls, *NCAA Issues 3rd NOA
Jeanette Boxill terminated

The report found that fake classes allowed 3,100 athletes and other students to earn artificially high grades from 1993 to 2011. The report described Boxill as directing women's basketball players into fake courses.

If they did UNC women's basketball you know damn good and well they were doing men's basketball.


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re: UNC Admits Academic Fraud: Lack Of Institutional Controls, *NCAA Issues 3rd NOA
Deadspin now saying 20 DI schools are being investigated.


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Deadspin now saying 20 DI schools are being investigated.


I think we found out who some of the other schools are AND there is yet another lawsuit of past UNC players suing UNC and the NCAA.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/22/us/unc-paper-classes-lawsuit/index.html

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Two former athletes who took so-called paper classes at the University of North Carolina have filed a lawsuit against the school and the NCAA, claiming they represent hundreds of thousands of college athletes across the nation who are promised an education but don't get one.

Devon Ramsay and Rashanda McCants filed the class-action lawsuit in North Carolina on Thursday afternoon, leaving open the possibility for more athletes to join them. The suit doesn't just go after the paper class scandal at North Carolina -- which experts say is the worst case of academic fraud in NCAA history -- but says that cheating is a fundamental flaw of the amateurism model in college sports.


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It says UNC and the NCAA and have, in "spectacular fashion," broken the promise to give athletes an education in return for keeping the millions of dollars generated each year from revenues.

Washington attorney Michael Hausfeld is the lawyer behind the suit, and he's already got a winning record against the NCAA.


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The lawsuit cites cases of alleged academic cheating at Syracuse, Berkeley, Michigan State University, University of Georgia, Auburn University, Florida State University, the University of Michigan and several other schools from Texas to Ohio, Kentucky to New Mexico.


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re: UNC Admits Academic Fraud: Lack Of Institutional Controls, *NCAA Issues 3rd NOA
http://www.wsj.com/articles/book-review-cheated-by-jay-m-smith-and-mary-willingham-1425077434

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Dark Days in Chapel Hill
If you ran a college and knew there was substantial money to be had from sports but no requirement to educate athletes, you might cut corners—that’s exactly what the University of North Carolina did for nearly two decades.


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Its shameful record is the subject of “Cheated,” an engaging new book by Jay Smith and Mary Willingham.

A report commissioned by the university and issued last year found that, over nearly two decades, 3,100 Chapel Hill students, about half of them athletes, took fake classes that required no work. The average grade in the fake classes was an A. No-show grades pulled up the GPAs of sports stars who otherwise would not have met the NCAA’s modest eligibility standard of a C-minus average.


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Details of the scheme confirm the worst fears about “student athletes,” at least as regards football and men’s basketball. (Other men’s and all women’s collegiate sports generally have good academic reputations.) Some Tar Heels men’s basketball players, Ms. Willingham contends, read at a third-grade level. (A university official last year dismissed her research as “a travesty.”) As a student at Chapel Hill, Green Bay Packers star Julius Peppers failed real courses but got B’s in what were known as “paper classes,” barely supervised independent-study courses that required only a single research paper. (Mr. Peppers claims that he “earned every grade” he got at UNC.) “Cheated” reports that Rashad McCants, key to the Tar Heels’ 2005 March Madness title, “saw his GPA rise significantly—he even made the dean’s list—after a semester in which he had done no academic work.”


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“Cheated” details how Mr. Nyang’oro liked to hang around with athletes: He was even invited to serve as a “guest coach” for the football team. Tutors and academic-support staffers also enjoyed friendly access to the jocks. At football-factory and basketball-power programs, teachers and tutors who avert their eyes from grade fixing may be rewarded with courtside seats and sideline passes.


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“Cheated” recounts two instances when staffers told superiors that football or men’s basketball stars handed in plagiarized work. The university took swift, decisive action, the authors write: It punished those who made the reports.


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Some of the gain is expended on sports that lose money, but football and men’s basketball are still profit centers. At a prestige university, the African-American studies department became a mechanism to exploit African-Americans. Players may as well have been picking cotton.


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If an NCAA athlete commits a petty violation, he can be thrown out of school. University leaders know that if their schools are caught systematically cheating, a wrist slap will be their fate.


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Thousands of students got A’s in fake classes. Yet “the higher levels of the university” were guilty only of “a loose, decentralized approach to management” that prevented “meaningful oversight,” even though the existence of “easy-grading classes with little rigor” was widely known.




ConwayGamecock
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re: UNC Admits Academic Fraud: Lack Of Institutional Controls, *NCAA Issues 3rd NOA
The depth of UNC's cheating just keeps growing and growing....now creeping into their graduate school programs, separate of the AFAM debacle:

Former UNC official: Pressure led to improper graduate admission of athletes



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re: UNC Admits Academic Fraud: Lack Of Institutional Controls, *NCAA Issues 3rd NOA
I'm just gonna leave this here.....

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Pete: He had a good GPA, it's not like he was a bad student. That test was just too much.

That test was the SAT, and it proved to be a fiend. During the spring of his senior year, Waddell spent two hours a day, three days per week studying to try and make the requisite score that would make him eligible to play at Carolina as a freshman. He had the required GPA with plenty of room to spare. But the test, that standardized demon that has bedeviled many a high school student, would not be cracked.

Waddell wound up 10 points--one correct answer--short of the needed score. He had to enter UNC as a partial qualifier, which meant that he would be able to practice with the team during his freshman year, but not play in the games. It is the equivalent of a forced redshirt year. It also decreases a player's eligibility from four years to three years.




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Michael Waddell has never even been close to being in academic trouble at the University of North Carolina. He hasn't served a suspension for cutting class, or needed a dramatic late-summer turnaround to get eligible for the fall. He has, with the help of the academic staff, been a model student.

"I really had a point to prove," says Waddell, who says his toughest class was biology. "There were a lot of people out there saying, 'He's a partial, he's not going to make it.' It bothered me, but I didn't pay any attention to it."

The former partial qualifier is on track to graduate at the end of his fourth year of college, which means that under NCAA guidelines he will earn back an extra year of eligibility. That's a nice gift, but it doesn't mean as much as something else he will earn in May--a college degree.


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re: UNC Admits Academic Fraud: Lack Of Institutional Controls, *NCAA Issues 3rd NOA
http://www.news-record.com/news/unc-employee-named-in-wainstein-report-resigns/article_0cb0e2da-c36d-11e4-8888-0fd436705b70.html

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GREENSBORO — Another employee involved in the academic scandal at UNC-Chapel Hill has resigned.
Jeanette (Jan) Boxill submitted a letter for retirement on March 2, stating her retirement was effective Feb. 28, according to documents provided by the university. Boxill was a philosophy professor and one of the people named in the Kenneth Wainstein report.


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Boxill was named in the report as helping point student athletes to the paper classes, and suggesting grades for some students.
Boxill was given notice by Executive Vice Chancellor and Provost James Dean Jr. that she would be fired on Oct. 22, the same day the Wainstein report was made public.

Boxill was appealing the termination until she announced her resignation, according to Rick White, associate vice chancellor for communications and public affairs for the university.

"Dr. Boxill has indicated her intent to seek retirement benefits based on her years of service as provided to state employees under North Carolina law," White said.


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Boxill was one of four employees disciplined. Academic counselor Jaimie Lee was terminated and senior lecturer Timothy McMillan resigned, according to information provided by the university. Beth Bridger, who worked at UNC-Chapel Hill at the time of the paper classes, but was employed with UNC-Wilmington lost her job the day the report came out.


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re: UNC Admits Academic Fraud: Lack Of Institutional Controls, *NCAA Issues 3rd NOA
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25112560/north-carolina-academic-case-puts-ncaa-and-its-mission-on-trial

CBS calling out the NCAA.

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North Carolina academic case puts NCAA and its 'mission' on trial


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As another NCAA tournament starts and with the 10th anniversary of that title next month, the anticipation of North Carolina's athletic fate intensifies. A star player on that '05 team, Rashad McCants, told ESPN last year he did not attend a single class in which he received an A in that 2005 spring semester. McCants added that he was "100 percent" sure coach Roy Williams knew about the bogus classes.

In denying McCants' accusations, Williams told Sports Illustrated, "What Rashad McCants said was not true. As opposed to saying he lied, I'd like to say that what he said is not right.

I bet Roy Williams also asked the interviewer what his definition of the word "is" was. (Bill Clinton joke, some of y'all might remember that.)

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Academic integrity goes to the heart of the NCAA mission. It is Chapter 1, verse 1 of the association's Book of Genesis.

Page 4 of the NCAA Manual reads, "... The admission, academic standing and academic progress of student-athletes shall be consistent with the policies and standards adopted by the institution for the student body in general."

To many, it's time to prove that decades-old proclamation still means something.

CBSSports.com spoke to several college administrative sources who did not want to speak on the record because of the sensitivity of the subject. On various levels, they all agreed:

The entire NCAA enterprise may be on trial with the North Carolina case.

If the school isn't hammered, then what good is the NCAA Manual? If thousands of athletes being passed through the system isn't a mockery of the mission, then what is?


Penn State was an unmitigated disaster. The Miami investigation was a mismanaged mess. The NCAA is still in court almost five years after USC was decided.
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re: UNC Admits Academic Fraud: Lack Of Institutional Controls, *NCAA Issues 3rd NOA
UNC is counting-on the NCAA being a paper tiger.

With that in mind I will say this - the ACC is a pussy if they do not lower the boom on UNC. And that ain't gonna happen with UNC chogey boy Swofford as the Commish up there.

Clemson should be kicking the bit shite around the shite pen up there given how the ACC lowered the boom on them every time they've committed any of their many infractions.

There is no hypocrisy like ACC hypocrisy and the NCAA needed to be disbanded and let the big five super conferences form their own governing body.


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UNC is counting-on the NCAA being a paper tiger.



I think UNC's bet is going to be right on this, sadly. I do not understand why this isn't *the* biggest sports story going on right now. When UNC gets away with this, they will officially be bulletproof, and the NCAA will have lost all credibility in all matters, forever.



CockInYourEar
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When UNC gets away with this, they will officially be bulletproof, and the NCAA will have lost all credibility in all matters, forever.


That's basically the bottom line in this. I too think unc is going to get away with this on some technicality or some thing where the NCAA points at SACS and SACS points at the NCAA (jurisdictional confusion/hand-washing.)

IF unc gets away with it, it opens the door for every single school to unofficially open up jock classes/degrees (if they don't have them already.) The ones that do have those classes/degrees will not have to worry so much about getting caught, b/c a precedent was set that 'nothing is going to happen.'


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http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/01/sport/ncaa-response-to-lawsuit/index.html

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(CNN)After years of making the case that the education of athletes is paramount, the NCAA now says it has no legal responsibility to make sure education is actually delivered.

http://www.ncaa.org/about/what-we-do/academics, "It's our commitment -- and our responsibility -- to give young people opportunities to learn, play and succeed." And later, it says that "in the collegiate model of sports, the young men and women competing on the field or court are students first, athletes second."

But the NCAA is taking a very different position in response to a lawsuit filed by former University of North Carolina athletes. The lawsuit claimed the students didn't get an education because they were caught up in the largest known academic fraud scandal in NCAA history.

In its response, the NCAA says it has no legal responsibility "to ensure the academic integrity of the courses offered to student-athletes at its member institutions."

Even with pages of online information about academic standards, and even though the NCAA has established a system of academic eligibility and accountability that it boasts of regularly, NCAA attorneys wrote in this court filing that "the NCAA did not assume a duty to ensure the quality of the education of student-athletes," and "the NCAA does not have 'direct, day-to-day, operational control' " over member institutions like UNC.

"It's nonsense. It's double talk," said Gerald Gurney, a former athletic-academic director who is now president of The Drake Group for academic integrity in collegiate sport.

"If you look at their basic core principles, it's all about academics, the experience, the integration of academics, and the education of the student is paramount," Gurney said. "They seem to talk out of both sides of their mouths."



Basically what I thought. The NCAA isn't going to do anything to UNC, they are going to say it's an issue for SACS Accreditation (Southern Association of Colleges and Schools.) However, SACS already said that they didn't know how to handle this based on the scope of the fraud (3,100 students in fake classes for 20 years.) However, there were 31 grad students who got a Masters in Education degree from HBC Barber Scotia College and SACS removed their accreditation...so I think they know what they are supposed to do...but they think UNC is just 'Too Big To Fail.'


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re: UNC Admits Academic Fraud: Lack Of Institutional Controls, *NCAA Issues 3rd NOA
If I wasn't fully expecting this, I'd say it's unbelievable.

It's well-past time to dismantle the NCAA.


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