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re: UNC Admits Academic Fraud: Lack Of Institutional Controls, *NCAA Issues 3rd NOA

Posted on 8/26/14 at 8:26 pm to
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 8/26/14 at 8:26 pm to
With the Fall classes starting, any updates on if UNC will get off?
Posted by CockInYourEar
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Posted on 8/26/14 at 8:28 pm to
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With the Fall classes starting, any updates on if UNC will get off?





I was just coming here to find this thread. Updates, you ask? This just happened!

https://www.si.com/college-football/2014/08/26/north-carolina-football-hazing

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North Carolina is investigating a hazing incident among members of the football team, according to a report from Yahoo Sports.

Sources told Yahoo the incident, which allegedly occurred during the first week of August, escalated into a "group assault" of a teammate.


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Redshirt freshman walk-on wide receiver Jackson Boyer was concussed in the alleged incident, which reportedly took place with multiple teammates in his room at the Chapel Hill hotel the team was staying at during preseason camp.


Posted by CockInYourEar
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Posted on 9/5/14 at 12:35 pm to
So he NCAA has no problem extending the probation of Ga Tech for text messages, but as far as UNC being a fake diploma mill and no show classes for athletes, it wants to turn a blind eye.

Interesting.

https://m.espn.go.com/extra/ncaa/story?storyId=11470293&src=desktop&ex_cid=null&wjb
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 9/5/14 at 3:57 pm to
Definitely some hypocrisy in play here.
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 10/22/14 at 2:23 pm to
Link provided by Scrooster 10/22/2014
Posted by CockInYourEar
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Posted on 10/22/14 at 8:53 pm to
CNN is now running it as well.

https://www.cnn.com/2014/10/22/us/unc-report-academic-fraud/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

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Chapel Hill, North Carolina (CNN) -- For 18 years, thousands of students at the prestigious University of North Carolina took fake "paper classes," and advisers funneled athletes into the program to keep them eligible, according to a scathing independent report released Wednesday.
"These counselors saw the paper classes and the artificially high grades they yielded as key to helping some student-athletes remain eligible," Kenneth Wainstein wrote in his report.


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In all, the report estimates, at least 3,100 students took the paper classes, but adds the number "very likely falls far short of the true number."
For the first time since the scandal first came to light five years ago, UNC admitted that the wrongdoing went further than academics and involved its athletic programs.
In fact, Folt said, "it was a university issue."


Lack of Institutional Controls?!!?!

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According to the report, one former head football coach, John Bunting, admitted to knowing of the paper classes and his successor, Butch Davis, also admitted some knowledge. Current men's basketball coach Roy Williams is steadfast that he did not know, Wainstein said.


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For five years, UNC has insisted the paper classes were the doing of one rogue professor: the department chair of the African American studies program, Julius Nyang'oro. Wainstein's report spread the blame much further.


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Wainstein did find that five counselors actively used paper classes, calling them "GPA boosters," and that at least two counselors, one in football, suggested to Crowder the grade an athlete needed to receive to be able to continue to play.


The entire article is scathing, worth the read.
Posted by CockInYourEar
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Posted on 10/22/14 at 8:57 pm to
Fox News has it out now as well.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/10/22/probe-reveals-scope-academic-fraud-at-unc/?intcmp=latestnews

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The report released Wednesday by former high-ranking U.S. Justice Department official Kenneth Wainstein found more far-reaching academic fraud than previous investigations by the school and the NCAA.

Many at the university hoped Wainstein's investigation would bring some closure to the long-running scandal, which is rooted in an NCAA investigation focused on improper benefits within the football program in 2010. Instead, findings of a systemic problem in the former African and Afro-American Studies department could lead to NCAA sanctions and possible dismissal of additional UNC staff.

"I think it's very clear that this is an academic, an athletic and a university problem," chancellor Carol Folt said.

The report outlined courses in the former African and Afro-American Studies department that required only a research paper that was often scanned quickly and given an A or B regardless of the quality of work.

The school's board of trustees and the panel that oversees the state's university system reviewed Wainstein's findings during a closed-door meeting earlier Wednesday. A half-dozen officials and UNC Athletics Director Bubba Cunningham declined to say whether anyone would lose their job.
Posted by CockInYourEar
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Posted on 10/22/14 at 9:05 pm to
ESPN as well

https://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/11745036/north-carolina-investigation-says-advisers-pushed-sham-classes

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The report, the third and most comprehensive produced in the matter, said some academic advisers in the school's Academic Support Program for Student Athletes had ties to Crowder and let her know how high a student's grade needed to be to maintain a 2.0 GPA to be eligible to play. It also said that those advisers pushed Crowder to make exceptions for athletes, including allowing them to enroll in classes after the registration period had ended.


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The report also detailed a 2009 meeting that academic advisers held with the North Carolina football staff. The meeting, which came as Crowder was retiring, included a slide that noted that the classes were "part of the solution in the past" and allowed athletes not to go to class, not to take notes, not to meet with professors and not to engage with the material.


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Investigators said they talked once to former UNC academic adviser Mary Willingham, who questioned the literacy level of Tar Heels athletes and said UNC had committed academic misconduct before leaving the job in 2010. A report that men's basketball coach Roy Williams told Willingham her only job was to keep his players eligible was not verified; Williams said he didn't believe he had met Willingham, and Willingham, who filed a civil suit against the university in June, did not talk to investigators for a second time to answer that question.
Posted by CockInYourEar
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 3:36 pm to
https://www.cnn.com/2014/10/25/us/unc-report-academic-fraud/index.html?hpt=hp_t4

Do fake UNC classes invalidate degree?

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The Southern Association of Colleges and Schools is currently reviewing a scathing report, prepared by former federal prosecutor Ken Wainstein, which showed thousands of UNC students took fraudulent classes, some of them multiple times.
But Belle Wheelan, the president of the association -- which is charged with accrediting degree-granting higher education institutions in the South, from Virginia to Texas -- told CNN that her group can't take away degrees.


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"UNC has to verify every degree they give all the time. We ask them to make sure all courses really are legitimate," Wheelan said. "All we can do ... is put them on sanction for lack of integrity.


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Gerald Gurney, president of the Drake Group for academic integrity in collegiate sport and the former president of the National Association of Academic Advisers for Athletics, called the UNC fraud the largest and most nefarious academic scandal in the history of the NCAA.


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"The depth and breadth of the scheme -- involving counselors, coaches, academic administrators, faculty, athletic administrators, etc. -- eclipses any previous case," Gurney said.


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One email, written by former women's basketball academics adviser Jan Boxill, suggests an athlete is only enrolled in "two real courses."
Other emails show how counselors were calculated in adding, then dropping, and shifting athletes from class to class trying to keep them eligible to play.


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Willingham says it's because they were admitted to UNC just to play -- and they couldn't keep up in the classroom the way they could keep up on the field, she says.
Willingham has been attacked for saying that. One UNC official even publicly said she was lying.
Now, the 131-page report and hundreds of supplemental documents appear to back her up.


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Roy Williams: 'We tried to do the right thing'
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 5:26 pm to
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Roy Williams: 'We tried to do the right thing'


Up next. Pics of Ole Roy crying and ECU getting sanctioned.
Posted by theGarnetWay
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 5:48 pm to
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told CNN that her group can't take away degrees.


I can understand this. From what I understand, although I haven't read much about this issue, is that not all the students were athletes and didn't realize they were taking illegitimate classes. They were classes regular students thought would be easy, but didn't think they wouldn't actually count so going around and trying to take all those degrees away and then expecting them to come back to school to get one would be impossible. Not to mention I'm assuming a lot of the jobs the students have now required a degree so a lot of non-athlete students would lose their jobs if they could take the degrees away.
Posted by CockInYourEar
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 6:53 pm to
I'm a little surprised Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton or whoever is the leader is now and his crew aren't all over this.

https://diverseeducation.com/article/3914/

There a HBC (Historically Black College) just outside of Charlotte, NC. They gave about 30 people degrees and didn't make them complete all the paperwork.

The Southern Association of Colleges and Schools’ decided to remove Barber Scotia's accreditation.

However, UNC has 3,100 take fake classes towards their degrees, and the SACS is just talkin' bout sanctions...SANCTIONS!?!!? we talkin' 'bout sanctions?!?!


Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 11/3/14 at 8:13 pm to
More Tar Heel Death Penalty commentary LINK


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The academic scandal consuming the University of North Carolina sports program represents the most morally offensive institutional misconduct in the history of college sports.

It’s far worse than the money-for-athletes misbehavior that seems to pop up every few months or so…whether it’s Johnny Football’s autographs, or Reggie Bush’s mansion, or Chris Mills’ Emery package, or even the Pony Express payoffs that resulted in SMU football receiving the NCAA’s death penalty: a complete one-year ban on competition.

From an institutional perspective, it’s far more troublesome than any point-shaving scheme — the late 1940’s college hoops gambling epidemic and the Goodfellas collision with Boston College cagers were both discrete malfeasances manipulated by unsavory outsiders.




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In stark contrast, the UNC scandal subverts the very moral bargain universities cut with student athletes. The Tarheel students who took these courses received no education; in fact, many had no contact with instructors. They were funneled through this fraud as a ruse to maintain their spot on the team; and for the vast supermajority who didn’t go pro, cast adrift on the job market with fewer tangible skills and less training. And thousands of non-athletes were collateral damage, graduating with a devalued diploma.

The scope and length of the conspiracy, the direct harm caused to students, and the deep undermining of the integrity of the student/athletic system all point to an obvious outcome: North Carolina sports deserves the death penalty. One year in which no varsity sports program can compete in NCAA activities. And of course, harm to unsuspecting, innocent students should be mitigated — all scholarships should be honored, no eligibility should be lost, and any student who wishes to transfer should not be penalized by having to sit out a year.

The UNC scandal is the example of a complete loss of institutional control in a way that directly harmed the very young people whom the university was entrusted to protect. The message must be clear: This can never happen again.

NCAA President Mark Emmert stated that “this is a case that potentially strikes at the heart of what higher education is about.” He’s right. And if college sports is to maintain any credibility, Emmert must strike at the heart of the Tarheel sports program.

North Carolina deserves the death penalty. Otherwise, the term “student athlete” will continue its long, slow devolution into a oxymoronic punch line.
Posted by CockInYourEar
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Posted on 11/3/14 at 10:10 pm to
That's a good read. You know, if they don't do anything firm with the punishment the special interest groups who are trying to have college athletes labeled as employees and professionals are going to use this as ammo.

UNC and the NCAA won't be able to hide behind the facade about developing/nurturing student athletes with the emphasis on students. It will become abundantly clear that it's really just about the athlete part and generating revenue.
Posted by Cockopotamus
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Posted on 11/4/14 at 1:06 am to
Been saying they deserve the death penalty for a while.

Hope both football and basketball get it
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 11/6/14 at 10:37 am to
quote:

More Tar Heel Death Penalty commentary LINK


Quote #1
The academic scandal consuming the University of North Carolina sports program represents the most morally offensive institutional misconduct in the history of college sports.

It’s far worse than the money-for-athletes misbehavior that seems to pop up every few months or so…whether it’s Johnny Football’s autographs, or Reggie Bush’s mansion, or Chris Mills’ Emery package, or even the Pony Express payoffs that resulted in SMU football receiving the NCAA’s death penalty: a complete one-year ban on competition.

From an institutional perspective, it’s far more troublesome than any point-shaving scheme — the late 1940’s college hoops gambling epidemic and the Goodfellas collision with Boston College cagers were both discrete malfeasances manipulated by unsavory outsiders.



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In stark contrast, the UNC scandal subverts the very moral bargain universities cut with student athletes. The Tarheel students who took these courses received no education; in fact, many had no contact with instructors. They were funneled through this fraud as a ruse to maintain their spot on the team; and for the vast supermajority who didn’t go pro, cast adrift on the job market with fewer tangible skills and less training. And thousands of non-athletes were collateral damage, graduating with a devalued diploma.

The scope and length of the conspiracy, the direct harm caused to students, and the deep undermining of the integrity of the student/athletic system all point to an obvious outcome: North Carolina sports deserves the death penalty. One year in which no varsity sports program can compete in NCAA activities. And of course, harm to unsuspecting, innocent students should be mitigated — all scholarships should be honored, no eligibility should be lost, and any student who wishes to transfer should not be penalized by having to sit out a year.

The UNC scandal is the example of a complete loss of institutional control in a way that directly harmed the very young people whom the university was entrusted to protect. The message must be clear: This can never happen again.

NCAA President Mark Emmert stated that “this is a case that potentially strikes at the heart of what higher education is about.” He’s right. And if college sports is to maintain any credibility, Emmert must strike at the heart of the Tarheel sports program.

North Carolina deserves the death penalty. Otherwise, the term “student athlete” will continue its long, slow devolution into a oxymoronic punch line.




That was a good read ... worth clicking that link.
Posted by CockInYourEar
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Posted on 11/8/14 at 7:50 am to
https://www.cnn.com/2014/11/07/us/unc-academic-scandal/index.html?hpt=hp_t2


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A former University of North Carolina football player has become the first to sue the university over an 18-year academic scandal that kept athletes eligible to play sports by taking classes that never met.

Mike McAdoo was a football player who lost his eligibility in 2011 when he was accused of getting too much help with a paper, and was one of the first athletes revealed to have taken part in "paper classes," for which the only requirement was completing a single paper.

Now he's suing the university in federal court, saying UNC broke its promise to give him an education in return for playing sports. His lawsuit is a class-action suit that the other 3,100 students who enrolled in the fake classes -- nearly half of whom are athletes -- could easily join.


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"From selection of a major to selection of courses, the UNC football program controlled football student-athletes' academic track, with the sole purpose of ensuring that football student-athletes were eligible to participate in athletics, rather than actually educating them," says his lawsuit, filed Thursday by the law firms of Ferguson, Chambers & Sumter in Charlotte, North Carolina, and Mehri and Skalet in Washington, D.C.


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"When the coaches and academic staff came to my house all the way in Tennessee, you know they, they wasn't even talking football, they was talking academics," he told CNN earlier this year. "So they were saying, 'You know what, we can't promise your son that he's going to go to the NFL, but one thing that we can promise him is that he will get a college degree.'"


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McAdoo told CNN he had expressed interest in studying criminal justice, but was told on his first day of scheduling that he had to pick from three majors that fit his football schedule -- Exercise and Sport Science, Communications, and African-American Studies, where the paper class scandal existed. McAdoo said his pre-determined schedule included some of the paper classes.


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McAdoo's lawsuit could potentially uncover even more than the damning Wainstein investigation, which was by far the most thorough and provided a slew of information that had previously been discounted by UNC.

The difference is in the power of subpoena.

McAdoo's lawyers will be able to depose people who declined to talk to Wainstein -- potentially key participants whom Wainstein called out for refusing to cooperate, like the former director of football Cynthia Reynolds and the former interim head football coach Everett Withers.


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Willingham, who is suing UNC in a whistleblower-related lawsuit, said she also hopes to depose people who were not interviewed by Wainstein's team, such as members of the board of trustees.

"There's still a lot of denial, and Wainstein did not conduct his investigation with anyone under oath, nor did he have subpoena power," Willingham said.


ohhhh shiiiiittttt.......


We all know that the NCAA was just hoping this thing would go away and that they have no real power to investigate. HOWEVER, these state and federal lawyers will. Subpeonas, chances for perjury, chances of being, acts of collusion, people have already been fired by UNC and now want to get even for just doing what they were told to do.... shite's about to get real.

This post was edited on 11/8/14 at 8:03 am
Posted by Cockopotamus
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Posted on 11/8/14 at 1:10 pm to
frick yes.I wanna see the death penalty.

Subpoena the coaches. No way in shite they didn't know what was going on. I'd bet the AD knew something about it too
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 11/10/14 at 12:37 pm to
Not sure if anyone else has been keeping-up with the residual investigations going-on because of all of this academic stuff at UNC ... but UNC is also catching a lot of heat for quite a few rape cases they appear to have covered-up for various reasons.

I saw a special on TV about it last night. This was the one case that really glared at my wife and me.

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"She told me rape is like football, and if you look back on the game what would you have done differently in that situation," one of the women who filed a federal complaint with the Department of Education against the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill told investigators.

Pino and Clark — along with two other students — filed a 34-page federal civil-rights complaint in January against UNC, claiming the school mishandled a sexual assault case and dropped the ball when it came to sexual assault and harassment complaints, and it's prompted a federal investigation into the university that began earlier this month. (A spokesperson for the chancellor's office at UNC told The Atlantic Wire that it did not have immediate comment regarding the university's response, but that they would provide information soon. Update: See the university response below.)


Pino and Clark and the new federal investigation don't represent the first controversial rape case at UNC. You might remember Landen Gambill, a UNC student who could be facing expulsion for violating the school's honor code for intimidating her alleged rapist, an ex-boyfriend. Gambill never named him, but after her case was dismissed by the school's honor court —sexual assault was removed from its jurisdiction in 2012 — she went public. The Daily Tarheel has Gambill's account of her interaction with officials, which once again starts to sound more like victim-blaming from within the administration, and less like sympathy.


Apparently UNC Thinks 'Rape Is Like Football'

It just keeps getting better up there.
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 11/10/14 at 12:58 pm to
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It just keeps getting better up there.


Wrong way of looking at it. I had a cousin play ACC ball in the pre 80's era and back then he tells stories of stuff UNC and Duke got away with. The difference is not that it is getting better, but that it is finally seeing the light after decades of being kept in the dark.

If you accept that everybody cheats to some degree then fine, as at least you admit your share of the collective crap. The schools who have been blaming others for years while sweeping their own stuff under the carpet are now having to face the public. I hope they have a "extra special" hell for them.

ps, I think you are now off the hook as the most hated person among the Mizzou posters on the Rant.
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