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re: UNC Admits Academic Fraud: Lack Of Institutional Controls, *NCAA Issues 3rd NOA

Posted on 7/7/14 at 8:41 pm to
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 7/7/14 at 8:41 pm to
33,000 on columbia campus.

Similar to uga, and i'd guess most "football" schools.


Let's say 15,000 are men.


Lets say 7500 (half) are somewhat athletic.

Let's say 2000 would be interested in a full ride to play football.

Let's say only a thousand showed up for try-outs.


I"m pretty sure you could fill a 44 2-deep and have a pretty competitive team.


What if this becomes the new normal?

I submit college football could be even more competitive and profitable than it is now.

Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 8:35 am to
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33,000 on columbia campus.

Similar to uga, and i'd guess most "football" schools.


Let's say 15,000 are men.


Lets say 7500 (half) are somewhat athletic.

Let's say 2000 would be interested in a full ride to play football.

Let's say only a thousand showed up for try-outs.


I"m pretty sure you could fill a 44 2-deep and have a pretty competitive team.


What if this becomes the new normal?

I submit college football could be even more competitive and profitable than it is now.


I think what you're trying to say is ... wait, I have no idea what it is that you are trying to convey.

WTF is your point deeprig?

Are you suggesting that the recruiting aspect of the game be totally abandoned and that it should become a game manned totally by a walk-on merit process of some sort?

What does this have to do with this thread?

Your question, or response, or whatever it was, reminded me of my ex wife. Sort of gave me cold chills for a moment.
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 8:46 pm to
What he's saying is in the future college football should be with students who are held to the same standards as you and I.

Not athletes who can barely spell their name.


That no fun, I disagree with him.
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 8:49 pm
Posted by CockInYourEar
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Posted on 7/9/14 at 8:14 pm to
I'm glad the NCAA re-opened this. They wouldn't have done so unless they were willing to do something about it. They wouldn't intentionally want to look weak twice about the same issue at the same school. If they wanted this to just go away, they would've left this alone after the first time.
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 7/10/14 at 2:42 pm to
If they get death penalty do they stll get their share of acc money, and if not, then do they get let out of their contract, and if so, eventually be part of the sec 16 expansion?


Eta maybe the shadowy powers that be at unc actually want the deathpenalty ...
This post was edited on 7/10/14 at 2:44 pm
Posted by CockInYourEar
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Posted on 7/10/14 at 3:16 pm to
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If they get death penalty do they stll get their share of acc money, and if not, then do they get let out of their contract, and if so, eventually be part of the sec 16 expansion?


Eta maybe the shadowy powers that be at unc actually want the deathpenalty ...



IDK, but I'm excited about this rumor. Can they do a Death Penalty for all sports? Would they just target the sports with the students in the fake classes or who got the fake degrees? I don't think the ACC would kick them out for just not being able to compete 1-2 years in football and basketball. However, they very well might not give them any money.
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
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Posted on 7/10/14 at 8:49 pm to
I think they lose their share.

Penn State lost a years worth I believe and that technically wasn't the death penalty
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 7/13/14 at 7:42 pm to
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I'm glad the NCAA re-opened this. They wouldn't have done so unless they were willing to do something about it. They wouldn't intentionally want to look weak twice about the same issue at the same school. If they wanted this to just go away, they would've left this alone after the first time.


It's definitely going to be fun watching the tarholios squirm.
Posted by CockInYourEar
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Posted on 7/22/14 at 1:23 pm to
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t's definitely going to be fun watching the tarholios squirm.


Fedora is saying it's impacting them on with recruiting now.

https://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11244146/north-carolina-tar-heels-feel-scandal-impact-recruiting-trail

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"It's not really affecting our team," Fedora said. "The players, they're not concerned with it. They've been hearing about it for three years. It's just old news. The ones it affects is in recruiting. That's where it hits you the hardest. The other schools, that's what they're using when they're recruiting against you."


good, their scandal should have some impact if the NCAA isn't going to do anything.
Posted by RoyalAir
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Posted on 7/22/14 at 1:53 pm to
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good, their scandal should have some impact if the NCAA isn't going to do anything.



Somehow UNC became a protected program. I'd love to see the hammer drop, but I'm not going to count on it.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 7/22/14 at 8:24 pm to
UNC deserves everything they get and more. They've been the second biggest cheaters in the ACC for the better part of six decades that I know of. They have gotten-away with absolute murder at times.
Posted by DawgCountry
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Posted on 7/22/14 at 8:38 pm to
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Somehow UNC became a protected program. I'd love to see the hammer drop, but I'm not going to count on it.


Swofford will keep the heat off his beloved UNC
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 7/22/14 at 10:08 pm to
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UNC deserves everything they get and more.


:kige:

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They've been the second biggest cheaters in the ACC for the better part of six decades that I know of.


Duke is still #1 tho.
:kige:

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They have gotten-away with absolute murder at times.


:kige:

Been getting away with murder since Bingham killed his wife...

Bingham's first wife died in 1913. In 1916 he married Mary Lily Flagler, reputedly the wealthiest woman in America at the time and widow of Henry Morrison Flagler. She died within a year, and although there was never any evidence of it, Bingham's enemies would long claim he was somehow to blame for her death. As the family business crumbled publicly in the 1980s, several biographers, most notably David Leon Chandler, claimed Bingham had killed his wife for the money, either by overdose or withholding medical care Nevertheless, as Bingham inherited $5 million after her death, enabling him to purchase the Courier-Journal and Louisville Times, which became critical in establishing his later national prominence, it made an attractive conspiracy theory.

While Bingham only got 5 million, the rest went to her Kenan relatives who went on to fuel the money that gave rise to UNC. Without all that oil money UNC would not be the institution it is today.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 7/23/14 at 9:47 am to
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Been getting away with murder since Bingham killed his wife...

Bingham's first wife died in 1913. In 1916 he married Mary Lily Flagler, reputedly the wealthiest woman in America at the time and widow of Henry Morrison Flagler. She died within a year, and although there was never any evidence of it, Bingham's enemies would long claim he was somehow to blame for her death. As the family business crumbled publicly in the 1980s, several biographers, most notably David Leon Chandler, claimed Bingham had killed his wife for the money, either by overdose or withholding medical care Nevertheless, as Bingham inherited $5 million after her death, enabling him to purchase the Courier-Journal and Louisville Times, which became critical in establishing his later national prominence, it made an attractive conspiracy theory.

While Bingham only got 5 million, the rest went to her Kenan relatives who went on to fuel the money that gave rise to UNC. Without all that oil money UNC would not be the institution it is today.


Good gosh that story brings back some memories. I had not been reminded of that little bit of history in a long long time. I remember when I first heard it back in the sixties or seventies thinking about the famous SC book, "A Piece of the Foxes Hide" and relating it to the whole incestuous murder corruption thing that was so unheard of and spooky in those days ... back when the country was still innocent for the most part. The Flagler money was big. Their version of the Bingham story is different. My first wife came from big money in Miami, real estate family, so the Flagler story was told a lot down there as her grandfather was actually close friends with Harry Flagler. The two of them founded the Orange Bowl together, I've still got some of the plans he gave me around here somewhere. I want to say Bingham Hall was named after Bingham's father maybe, not him but his father? The large piece of family property my first wife's family owns in Western NC was all part of the former estate owned by Harry Flagler which he sold (pieces) to my first wife's grandfather which he proceeded to turn into a summer camp, and another parcel was sold to an actor William Gillette, (late to be known as Gillette Woods, his parcel that is, where he met Aunt Polly, an even stranger story), who had some connection to both the Binghams and the Flaglers through Louisville or Cincy, I can't remember but it was one or both of those.

Anyway, my oldest daughter did her undergraduate work at UNC before moving-on to UC-B for her J.D., ... she still lives on the left coast today. She would be having a fit if she knew I was having this conversation because she always played the Bingham/Flagler connection to her great-grandfather to the hilt, as did that entire side of the family ... come to think of it, that whole snooty thing they used to do, that's why I divorced my first wife.

It's a great story though Cheese Grits. I guess you know well about the Binghams up there in your neck of the woods. I remember them well too from the few years I spent in Louisville ... that was a lonnnnnng time ago back when Pleasure Ridge Park was still a nice area out off of the Watterson Expressway.
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 7/24/14 at 1:59 am to
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I guess you know well about the Binghams up there in your neck of the woods.


Know their history very well. Know more about Flagler and his 2 partners in the oil business. If your first wife's family did business with Flagler down in Florida then it is most possible I know them and they know me. The south is very small if you go back far enough. Not sure murder is a modern thing. Stanford's president killed Stanford's wife to gain control of Stanford University.

As to the connection to Cincinnati, They needed money to start Standard Oil and that came from the Harkness family who came from Ohio.Back in Cleveland, Henry and J D lived next door to each other and would discuss the business on the way to work. Saw a show on the History Channel the other day giving credit to JD for the early success of Standard Oil but Flagler was the real brains and the one who figured out the rail angle to establish the monopoly.

As for Miami, my grandmother was a rider who used to ride up and down Miami Beach when all that was there was a house or two, some coconut tress, and a swarm of mosquito's. So much of the real history never makes the history books.
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 6:20 pm to
No fake classes, no tutors writing papers...UNC PLAYERS FAIL OUT OF SCHOOL!!

https://www.newsobserver.com/2014/07/30/4040053/unc-parts-ways-with-three-scholarship.html?sp=/99/103/119/271/

quote:

CHAPEL HILL — Senior defensive tackle Shawn Underwood, redshirt freshman defensive tackle Greg Webb and sophomore linebacker Clint Heaven are no longer on the North Carolina football team, a team spokesman said on Wednesday.

All three players were on scholarship, and Underwood was listed on the Tar Heels' preseason depth chart as a possible starter at defensive tackle. The status of another scholarship player, sophomore offensive guard J.J. Patterson, is unclear, said Kevin Best, the UNC football spokesman.

Patterson will not be among the 105 players who practice with the team on Friday when UNC beings preseason camp.







Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 7:17 pm to
The ACC with both Miami and UNC are getting karma kickbacks for all the shite they've talked about aledged cheating in the SEC for decades.

If the NCAA fails to bring the hammer down on UNC for this, that's one thing, but if the ACC fails to take internal action ... that's quite another.
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:43 am to
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The ACC with both Miami and UNC are getting karma kickbacks for all the shite they've talked about aledged cheating in the SEC for decades.


The worst offender for hypocrisy is still Duke in the ACC.
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 8/15/14 at 1:50 pm to
Looks like Notre Dame moves much faster than UNC on academic fraud. LINK
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 8/16/14 at 10:45 am to
Interesting looking at 2 premier basketball schools

UK makes the cover of SI for 1,000 dollars cash and an entrance exam and the question was if they got off easy





UNC committed massive academic fraud and never made the cover of SI with a similar cover. Only Bloomberg made it a cover shot

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