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Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:04 pm to GameCocky88
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:04 pm to GameCocky88
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Looking at where they had him, 20th overall, vs where they had chubb/key, which was top 10 overall, it CAN make sense to come back
I don't believe that would be my deciding factor. From 18-23, you could land in Dallas, Seattle, LA, Buffalo, or Detroit. All 5 of those teams can/will be contenders again soon enough. I guess it's just me though, but if I knew I was a first rounder and had a chance to go to a better team, I'd go that route. Show out your first few years and get paid once the rookie contract is over. To hell with being a top pick and going to Cleveland where you'll never win, nor be developed bc of crap coaching. The only team in the top 10 I'd want be drafted by would be Denver. But even still, they have a long way to go.
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Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:17 pm to scrooster
Every legit player in CFB is paid. We pay a lot of our guys despite wanting to think otherwise.
We just don’t pay to the level Clemson does, or even close to it to be quite frank. Just gotta accept it for what it is. I think our football program is on a good path to be competitive so we’ll have to accept where we stand in the CFB world.
We just don’t pay to the level Clemson does, or even close to it to be quite frank. Just gotta accept it for what it is. I think our football program is on a good path to be competitive so we’ll have to accept where we stand in the CFB world.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:27 pm to scrooster
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I started a thread on the main board about this last week and am calling it the UGA Effect.
My contention is that coaches will point to UGA and the success they realized this past season, after having six guys return, as a means to an end.
This argument could be made to almost every team in CFB.... except Clemson and Bama. Clemson has been in the FF all 3 years these guys were there, they were in the 'ship 2 of those years, and won it once. Not a whole lot left to accomplish for them, but that doesn't mean your argument isn't the one being used.
As far as UGA is concerned, personally, Idk that the draft stock of any of the returnees really went up all that much other than maybe Javon wims, if he was ever considering the league last year, and maybe some mid round OL. Chubb and Michel are going to be drafted around where they would've gotten drafted last year imo.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:34 pm to scrooster
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Gotta give Kirby credit
He wasn't able to keep Roquan Smith.
But at that point that guys is a top 10 pick.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:40 pm to I Bleed Garnet
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He wasn't able to keep Roquan Smith.
And he's the guy who's stock rose the most. Granted he was only a soph last year.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 2:38 pm to lungbuster06
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The only team in the top 10 I'd want be drafted by would be Denver.
Actually i know this is being ticky tacky, I'd go to a few of the teams in the top 10.
Giants, Colts, Broncos, Bucs, 49ers and Raiders.
I think all those teams are a few pieces of way/just fell on bad luck with injuries to key stars that caused them to Tank.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 2:40 pm to GameCocky88
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Chubb and Michel are going to be drafted around where they would've gotten drafted last year imo.
you think so?
I think with a year like how this year was in the NFL/RBS and the years they both had, I think they got themselves into the first round.
Think you can argue Chubb may have been regardless, but I think this year, and the way Kamara played this year he got himself into the first round.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 2:44 pm to BamaBully
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We just don’t pay to the level Clemson does
I know this could be a touchy subject.
But real question... why?
Posted on 1/16/18 at 2:53 pm to I Bleed Garnet
I think he will be the victim of "team needs". This is no troll to our Dawg posters, but Barkley and Guice imo get drafted higher. He can absolutely go R1 but I think when you look at the board there are a lot of ways that 20-32 can go.
EDIT: to put some perspective on in for my FFb peeps. while going RB heavy in the first round is typical in Fantasy, here are some fact RE: the actual draft since 2010.
There have only been more than 2 RBs taken in the 1st round twice. There has also been 2 occasions where NO RBs were taken round one. Typically, its just 2.
EDIT: to put some perspective on in for my FFb peeps. while going RB heavy in the first round is typical in Fantasy, here are some fact RE: the actual draft since 2010.
There have only been more than 2 RBs taken in the 1st round twice. There has also been 2 occasions where NO RBs were taken round one. Typically, its just 2.
This post was edited on 1/16/18 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 1/16/18 at 3:10 pm to GameCocky88
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Chubb and Michel are going to be drafted around where they would've gotten drafted last year imo.
Chubb and Michel both improved their draft status. Last year they would have been lucky to be low 3rd round picks, this year maybe high to mid-2nd round. But their reason for coming back was to win the SECCG.
Wims really improved from a tall WR with promise to showing he had the hands to catch anything, and the ability/moves to get open. I would like to see Stafford throwing the ball to him in Detroit.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 3:26 pm to AlaCowboy
Michel may have bumped a bit but I would've had Chub in the Joe Mixon - Alvin Kamara type range which was mid 2 to early 3rd.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 3:28 pm to GameCocky88
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Barkley and Guice imo get drafted higher.
Not sure why they should think thats a troll.
Any sane fan would think that.
shite Barkley may go top 5.
You could argue Johnson from Auburn before them too.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 9:12 pm to I Bleed Garnet
Didn't want to make another thread about the tiggers, so I'll post it here
clemson is now 0-59 in Chapel Hill
clemson is now 0-59 in Chapel Hill
This post was edited on 1/16/18 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 1/17/18 at 7:31 am to I Bleed Garnet
I called into SiriusXM yesterday and asked Mark Packer (Clemson alum and big homer) how the tigers got these guys to stay. He said he had no idea and that in his opinion that they should have gone pro. He also said he's going to have Dabo on his show later in the week and he'd ask him for us. I'll be interested in that reply....
This post was edited on 1/17/18 at 7:31 am
Posted on 1/17/18 at 7:52 am to Lonnie Utah
my office tater said that while there was likely some staff involvement as well that the 3 themselves had an agreement that either they all went pro or none of them would.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 8:47 am to GameCocky88
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my office tater
Do you guys have good banter during the day?
jw.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 8:50 am to I Bleed Garnet
we have some jabs back and forth, he's not too bad about the rivalry.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 9:39 am to GameCocky88
What Taters are missing in their glee is that they were going to have a strong D Line anyway. Losing Wilkins would have hurt, but the DEs have quality back-ups and 2 - 5* recruits coming in at a position where you can play early.
They have much bigger issues with their O Line and DBs. The Trolls are ignoring the decision by Taylor Hearn to turn pro early - meaning they lose three starters from an O Line group that was exposed by Alabama (and will get exposed even more if the go with a Pro Style QB in 2018). And their suspect secondary - thank goodness Alabama did not put in Taigavaloa against them, LOL - lost a second starter when Van Smith decided to leave early.
Of course, losing those two guys and their two 5* WRs - which are questionable decisions in the other direction, they all should have stayed - is being ignored because it does not fit their "special place"/"unfinished business in the playoffs" spiel.
But losing those four guys early could hurt worse than losing the D Linemen, especially Hearn and Smith.
They have much bigger issues with their O Line and DBs. The Trolls are ignoring the decision by Taylor Hearn to turn pro early - meaning they lose three starters from an O Line group that was exposed by Alabama (and will get exposed even more if the go with a Pro Style QB in 2018). And their suspect secondary - thank goodness Alabama did not put in Taigavaloa against them, LOL - lost a second starter when Van Smith decided to leave early.
Of course, losing those two guys and their two 5* WRs - which are questionable decisions in the other direction, they all should have stayed - is being ignored because it does not fit their "special place"/"unfinished business in the playoffs" spiel.
But losing those four guys early could hurt worse than losing the D Linemen, especially Hearn and Smith.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 10:54 am to I Bleed Garnet
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shite Barkley may go top 5.
Barkley will benefit from the Penn state PR campaign. He was an average RB from scrimmage and a very good KO return man. His Heisman status dropped when he got into the heart of their B10 schedule. I had Bryce Love as my choice early, and even when injured he was better that a healthy Barkley.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 10:48 pm to GameCocky88
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As far as UGA is concerned, personally, Idk that the draft stock of any of the returnees really went up all that much other than maybe Javon wims, if he was ever considering the league last year, and maybe some mid round OL. Chubb and Michel are going to be drafted around where they would've gotten drafted last year imo.
Last year, Michel and Chubb were slated as the 7th and 8th running backs off the board. This year, they should be 4th and 5th unless something surprises at the combine.
It is an upgrade. Is it worth staying the extra year (and losing 1 year's worth of income and the second contract coming a year later), probably not financially. But a lot of Dawgs (former) have been telling the team that those playoff games are worth it to stay in college. Staying is the emotional play. Not a financial one.
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