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Posted on 1/16/18 at 7:20 am
Posted on 1/16/18 at 7:20 am
I typically leave my Clemtech shitposting to responding to Taters. I NEVER initiate a thread about them. However, how tfrick did they do this? How do you convince 3 potential 1st Rounders, one of which has already graduated, to come back for their senior year? 1st round money for a year is obviously what they have to lose, they've already won a NC, wtf do they have to gain by staying? Even getting paid by Clemson, how do they compete with 1st round $$?
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Posted on 1/16/18 at 7:38 am to GameCocky88
Meh, you convince one, he convinces one more, the others will be appealed to the brotherhood of staying together/not wanting to be the only greedy one and leave.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 7:50 am to GameCocky88
Lloyds of London will insure them too.
If their draft stock falls to beyond what Lloyd's ranks em they'll get a nice payout.
Guys like Luck, Matt Barkley etc have done it.
Barkley obviously made money off it, Luck didn't lose any stock.
If their draft stock falls to beyond what Lloyd's ranks em they'll get a nice payout.
Guys like Luck, Matt Barkley etc have done it.
Barkley obviously made money off it, Luck didn't lose any stock.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 7:53 am to I Bleed Garnet
Lloyds insures against draft stock? I know everyone gets policies against injury
Posted on 1/16/18 at 8:05 am to GameCocky88
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Lloyds insures against draft stock? I know everyone gets policies against injury
Well injury that will lead to decrease draft stock.
I know Marqise Lee got a payout for it too.
Wanna say something like 10 mil because he got hurt when he came back and fell in the draft.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 8:11 am to I Bleed Garnet
True that. Question is, if they have that policy now, who's paying the premiums?
Posted on 1/16/18 at 8:26 am to GameCocky88
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who's paying the premiums
I Think the school does.
It's all included in the "scholarship" they give players.
Clowney had one going into his JR year.
Not sure if it was exactly Lloyds, but a lot of highly touted players do it in football and basketball.
Nerlens Noel did it too right
Then again they could have just gone to the bank and gotten a loan for the amount.
It's not that big of a deal, like 50 to 60k, the bank knows they're good for it as they'll most likely be getting more than that upon being drafted. Obviously the Bank isn't going to give that type of a Loan to a grade 4th or 5th round pick. And obviously you won't see 4th or 5th round picks looking for that insurance policy anyway.
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Posted on 1/16/18 at 8:32 am to GameCocky88
shite I just saw Bryce Love is staying now?
that's more shocking than the Clemson guys considering he's a running back.
that's more shocking than the Clemson guys considering he's a running back.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 10:02 am to I Bleed Garnet
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I know Marqise Lee got a payout for it too.
Wanna say something like 10 mil because he got hurt when he came back and fell in the draft.
Marcus Lattimore got $1.7 million on a policy that cost $50K. That's a good return, but lets say these guys don't get hurt. Dabo just cost them $50K just in the cost of insurance to cover your final year.
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I Think the school does.
It's all included in the "scholarship" they give players.
Clowney had one going into his JR year.
Wrong. The student athlete is solely responsible for the price of the policy. Many student athletes can get a loan against the balance and that's how they are typically paid for. But the school does not pay for them. That would be an impermissible benefit. They also have a VERY high delectable (currently $90K)
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Posted on 1/16/18 at 10:05 am to Lonnie Utah
that plus now you're another year older when going into the league. These guys careers are on a shelf life that is typically pretty short.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 10:07 am to GameCocky88
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that plus now you're another year older when going into the league. These guys careers are on a shelf life that is typically pretty short.
Truth.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 12:06 pm to GameCocky88
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that plus now you're another year older when going into the league. These guys careers are on a shelf life that is typically pretty short.
Yep.
Im truly shocked by bryce love.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 12:08 pm to Lonnie Utah
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Wrong. The student athlete is solely responsible for the price of the policy.
Yea thats why I said both. Hedged my bet there. lol
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Posted on 1/16/18 at 12:26 pm to I Bleed Garnet
The reality of what happened, imo, was fear mongering. Lets use Ferrell as an example. I saw a mock draft that had as many as 3 DE's being drafted before him. Bradley Chubb, Arden Key and I can't remember the other. Even though he'd be a 1st round guy, 1st round contracts are not created equal. Looking at where they had him, 20th overall, vs where they had chubb/key, which was top 10 overall, it CAN make sense to come back.
If the draft went the way the mock draft predicted, Chub/key would walk away with a 4 year deal that is worth 2x as much as Ferrel's even though they are both 1st round guys and only 10 total picks in between them.
If the draft went the way the mock draft predicted, Chub/key would walk away with a 4 year deal that is worth 2x as much as Ferrel's even though they are both 1st round guys and only 10 total picks in between them.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 12:35 pm to GameCocky88
I literally know nothing about this draft but the QBs, but for every Nick Chubb or Andrew Luck, you have a Matt Barkley
Personally if you get a first round grade I think you go.
And I think on our end just because I'm selfish, our coach should try and talk the kid into staying (unless he's of course a bonafide first round/top 10 talent- Clowney, Gilmore and yea that's all I got)
Personally if you get a first round grade I think you go.
And I think on our end just because I'm selfish, our coach should try and talk the kid into staying (unless he's of course a bonafide first round/top 10 talent- Clowney, Gilmore and yea that's all I got)
This post was edited on 1/16/18 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 1/16/18 at 12:38 pm to I Bleed Garnet
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I literally know nothing about this draft but the QBs, but for every Nick Chubb or Andrew Luck, you have a Matt Barkley
Personally if you get a first round grade I think you go.
Yeah I would as well, I just think that has got to be the message. "hey you could go this year and be a 1st rounder or you could come back, go in the top 10 and get 2x the $$.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 12:45 pm to GameCocky88
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How do you convince 3 potential 1st Rounders, one of which has already graduated, to come back for their senior year?
I started a thread on the main board about this last week and am calling it the UGA Effect.
My contention is that coaches will point to UGA and the success they realized this past season, after having six guys return, as a means to an end.
If the kids are living comfortably, all of their pussy, food, financial needs are being met and if they have a second family in the form of comradery ... it's a powerful thing among young men with warrior mentallities. I've experienced it in similar situations and it is palatable and real.
There is another aspect to it as well. That being that it becomes an almost cultish need to satisfy the needs of the cult - which in this case is the entire organism (as in organization) of the team, the coaches, the fans.
I know it all may read a bit psychologically motivated ... but last week I began seeing and hearing some things that might indicate we're going to see more and more of this happening. I can now say that, at the time, it was word of this new philosophy we are adopting at SC with Marcus as our spiritual leader and having been made privvy (sp) to some conversations that were going-on and had been going-on for some time .... mUSChamp and Kirby had talked, etc., and were going to see more and more of this type of focus on retention.
Now, how Clemson is handling the financial reward to the players aspect of all of this ... who knows? I'm starting to believe the NCAA is not going to screw the cash cow unless something is done blatantly out in the open. It's the times we live-in these days and it's the monster that it's become.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 12:49 pm to I Bleed Garnet
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Yea thats why I said both. Hedged my bet there. lol
No worries. Just making sure accurate info was out there.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 12:55 pm to scrooster
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but last week I began seeing and hearing some things that might indicate we're going to see more and more of this happening.
thank f'n god.
The only one I do understand is hurst, But he'll be 25 next season, if he was a "regular" aged senior, could see him staying.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:04 pm to I Bleed Garnet
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The only one I do understand is hurst, But he'll be 25 next season, if he was a "regular" aged senior, could see him staying.
Oh yeah ... he would have stayed but his draft status has legitimately peaked after this past season and it would have been ludicrous for him to stay and risk injury.
One thing about him is he will be back and he will be a major contributor in other ways one day. He loves this place.
But most of the time, except in rare cases, the kids benefit from coming back, raising their status and walkijg for their sheepskins. Gotta give Kirby credit for convincing those six players to return and how he went about making it happen.
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