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Posted on 9/13/20 at 4:23 pm to meansonny
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As for kneeling, I've been told that it doesnt impede the breathing.
Come on. I get that there are a lot of caveats and grey areas to the Floyd case. But. Are you seriously arguing that kneeling on someone's neck does not affect breathing?
Posted on 9/13/20 at 5:21 pm to dawgfan24348
quote:Well that does suck if an officer is lying about probable cause to perform a search. I'm not familiar with the laws regarding smelling pot and whether or not there is anything that can be changed in the law to help prevent abuse, but I understand probable cause enough to believe that legitimately smelling pot is enough to warrant a search. The issue, then, is about abuse, which I'm all for preventing.
Both I've had cops tell me they smell pot in my car when I haven't touched the stuff is years. But it's also an asinine reason because a cop has to do is say they smell pot to search your car
quote:It usually doesn't, by itself.
True but drug possession shouldn't end in jail time
quote:I'm not against rehab for addicts, but I've heard all my life that one of the reasons why pot should be legalized is because it isn't addictive.
Throwing an addict in jail won't help them and that's what they need. There are a million reasons why people can get addicted to drugs just look at the heroin epidemic most of them started on legal opioids.
quote:There's a black market for human trafficking yet I'm not convinced that we should give the consumers of trafficked persons what they want by legalizing sex with minors, rape, slavery, and murder to get rid of the seedy and destructive nature of the trade. No, I'm not saying the two types of black markets are the same, but my point is that there's always going to be people who want to do things that society at large doesn't think are good and that when such things are outlawed, there will be black markets to get it anyway. I don't think that's sufficient reason in and of itself to tolerate that which has been deemed intolerable by society.
You make something illegal it creates a black market. There will always be a demand for these things but legalizing marijuana and decriminalization of drug use will go a long way in the fight against the cartels.
You want to trust hurt the cartels you aren't doing it through raids or stings you're doing it by hitting them in the wallet.
quote:No, gang violence won't disappear if there were no drug war. Gangs exist because there are kids that want to fit in somewhere and are given a sense of family and male role modeling that they don't get from missing fathers or their working moms. Gangs will always be around, regardless of whether or not there is a war on drugs, because the drug problem isn't the root cause of the issue.
Obviously no but it will certainly hurt their business
quote:Is that why there are so many absentee fathers in the black community? They are all drug addicts? I'm sorry, but no.
I think if addicts are sent to rehab centers instead of jail they'll be able to rejoin society far easier rather than just continue the life of crime
quote:Are we still only talking about pot? Perhaps you can make that case, though there are plenty of families torn apart and lives lost due to idolatry of the joint.
Yes but drug possession hurts nobody but the user
If we're talking about other drugs like opioids, lives are lost all the time with overdoses. Addicts needing their next fix rob and kill people to get what they want. Jobs are lost and suicides occur from it. There are all sorts of negative consequences that extend beyond the individual who uses the drugs.
quote:So let me get this straight: you're saying that the rift that exists between law-breakers and law enforcement exists because of drug laws and that if we simply ended the war on drugs, we'd begin to heal? Not likely
You're missing the problem here or just completely ignoring it. If we actually had police reform, ended the WOD, and put addicts in rehab centers you can help repair the relationship between the two communities. Yes the anti cop culture has to change but you're not going to get that until the government decides to change how it uses the police.
But seriously, there's always room for evaluation of law enforcement policies and ensuring that there is sufficient recourse for penalizing overzealous, corrupt, or poorly trained officers, but that isn't going to help anything because there is a general lack of respect for authority and law enforcement that exists in parts of society that won't ever go away because those people who hate police will always look for the outlier to justify their hatred for the group. Even the statistics of police shootings of black people do not support the narrative that exists regarding systemic racism and abuse, but that doesn't stop those who want to dismantle the institutions we have in place in this country.
Posted on 9/13/20 at 5:32 pm to Walkthedawg
quote:I suspect it was more that I claimed to have an objective source for morality by being a Christian. There are a lot of non-believers that like to think that they are good people but haven't thought through their definitions of "good" or whether or not their moral standards are more than arbitrary personal opinions.
You’re being downvoted because you say you’re a Christian, There in lies the problem. marxist don’t like Christianity.
That said, you're right that Marxists don't like Christianity. It's why critical theory is incompatible with Christianity and sees Christianity as a roadblock to the societal change it seeks, though Christians agree that there shouldn't be oppression of others.
Critical theory, and the critical race theory that is at the heart of the BLM movement, isn't compatible with Christianity because it sees people as fundamentally defined by their group identity and their value based on how oppressed their group identity is. Christians believe that all people are made in God's image and equal before Him, and that our value comes from God, not which oppressed group we belong to.
Cultural Marxists that push this critical theory believe that the problem with society is oppression and the cure is to divest power from the oppressors and give it to the oppressed. Christians believe that the problem with society is sin, and oppression is just one way sin manifests itself, and the cure is to obey God by loving each other (obeying the 10 commandments towards God and other people) and to give yourself to Jesus Christ.
Those who push this critical (race) theory want fundamental destruction of institutions that Christians recognize as good and necessary because they see everything in terms of oppression while Christians see things in terms of that which glorifies God. They are competing worldviews and they are incompatible with one another, no matter how much common ground we might have on condemning oppression of others.
Posted on 9/13/20 at 5:38 pm to dawgfan24348
quote:Whether or not the knee to the neck killed Floyd is the entire issue. If the knee to the neck wasn't lethal if not combined with a drug overdose of Floyd then there is no case for police brutality, no excuse for protesting/rioting, and no reason for believing systemic racism is front and center. It's literally everything. The entire summer has been one giant protest that started with the assumption that racist police officers brutally killed an innocent black man.
Even if it wasn't the kneeling that killed him it's still very fricked up. Of course you don't want any of the focus on the cop being a shite bag
Whether or not the cop is a terrible person is irrelevant, as there are scumbags everywhere in the world.
Posted on 9/13/20 at 7:44 pm to FinleyStreet
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But. Are you seriously arguing that kneeling on someone's neck does not affect breathing?
Well. Is the guy on his back or stomach. The airway is in the front. When I choke someone out, I'm choking in the front.
I think it is impossible to block someone's airway from the back.
When someone is on their stomach, is the face in the ground or to the side. The side maneuver removes the risk of blocking the airway.
The person on the stomach is much more at risk to having circulation and blood flow to the brain blocked at the artery than air flow to the lungs. Blocking the artery long enough also results in death. But that is very different than suffocation.
This makes sense to me, but as I said I have never used these methods or had them used on me.
Apply pressure at the back of your neck and tell me of you struggle for air.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 8:29 am to meansonny
It’s clearly not from the back, you can look at the fricking video.
And the implication with this argument is conspiratorial as frick. “George Floyd wasn’t killed by the cop. He knew he was going to die within the next hour, so he got arrested and then started screaming that he couldn’t breathe, knowing that the incident would be recorded and tear the country apart.”
And the implication with this argument is conspiratorial as frick. “George Floyd wasn’t killed by the cop. He knew he was going to die within the next hour, so he got arrested and then started screaming that he couldn’t breathe, knowing that the incident would be recorded and tear the country apart.”
Posted on 9/14/20 at 8:47 am to baconwaffle
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clearly not from the back, you can look at the fricking video
Lol. Ok.
Take your hand or arm and press as hard as you can on the side of your neck and tell me if you struggle to breath.
You can even take your palm and press as hard as possible under your jaw (on the front) and still not block your airway. The human body did a good job in evolution protecting the airway.
I have no opinion on the cause of death for Floyd. I'm not a ME. All I see or read is hearsay. The truth is above my pay grade. I have opinions, but I have no problem leaving a no comment on them.
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