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re: Shitty Year for our Basketball team
Posted on 2/25/19 at 3:45 pm to mizslu314
Posted on 2/25/19 at 3:45 pm to mizslu314
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Are you saying he underachieved while taking a team from 8 wins to 20 wins, and reaching the tournament without MPJ? Am I following this right?
There were certainly moments of underachieving. We lost in the first round of the SEC tournament. We didn’t look good in the tournament either. If someone said to you ay the beginning pf the season that we’d be one and done in both conference and NCAA tournaments would you have thought we overachieved?
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Posted on 2/25/19 at 3:49 pm to notsince98
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3 or 4 wins in the SEC should never be understandable, acceptable or justifiable. We already went through this during the KA era. No need to accept it again.
I’m not quite all the way there. But I’m close. Not on the firing part, but the 3 wins isn’t acceptable.
Posted on 2/25/19 at 3:51 pm to the808bass
Yes. Because most projections before the season even with MPJ had Mizzou as a bubble team at best.
Getting to the tournament without MPJ helping to win any games was overachieving.
As long as none of the 6 players that have shown they can play transfer this season will be ok. It’s ok because it sets Mizzou up for success long term. Other than Nikko everyone that will contribute next season will be back the following season.
Getting to the tournament without MPJ helping to win any games was overachieving.
As long as none of the 6 players that have shown they can play transfer this season will be ok. It’s ok because it sets Mizzou up for success long term. Other than Nikko everyone that will contribute next season will be back the following season.
Posted on 2/25/19 at 4:17 pm to the808bass
There are always underachieving moments Unless you go undefeated and win the national championship.
But as a season as a whole, absolutely not.
But as a season as a whole, absolutely not.
Posted on 2/25/19 at 4:57 pm to notsince98
Martin is doing a roster rebuild which we haven't had since about 1997. Looks alright so far. At the beginning of the season we didn't have the luxury of complaining about the #4 because the guards were so bad. Either way, we're probably fixing to lose again tomorrow night, and Cuonzo isn't going anywhere. Some of you are going to need a much bigger box of tissues
Posted on 2/26/19 at 1:13 pm to mizslu314
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Are you saying he underachieved while taking a team from 8 wins to 20 wins, and reaching the tournament without MPJ? Am I following this right?
Yes. I think the talent was there to win 3-5 more games last year. you don't?
Posted on 2/26/19 at 1:15 pm to wubilli
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Yes. Because most projections before the season even with MPJ had Mizzou as a bubble team at best.
Why base expectations/evaluations on hypothetical guesses before the season? Once the seasons started, it was very clear we had a good team.
Coaches should be evaluated by what happens on the court, not people's opinions based on guesses.
Posted on 2/26/19 at 1:17 pm to MIZ_COU
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Martin is doing a roster rebuild which we haven't had since about 1997. Looks alright so far. At the beginning of the season we didn't have the luxury of complaining about the #4 because the guards were so bad. Either way, we're probably fixing to lose again tomorrow night, and Cuonzo isn't going anywhere. Some of you are going to need a much bigger box of tissues
Who is calling for Cuonzo's firing? They would be the only ones needing a box of tissues as they will be the only ones sad Cuonzo gets at least 3 if not 4 years no matter how bad it gets.
Just because a coach isn't in a position to get fired doesn't mean they are free from criticism. At this point Cuonzo looks to be a middle of the pack coach just like he was at all his previous stops other than SMS.
Some people aren't going to be thrilled about that. Some will. It is ok for a fanbase to not be united in their opinions.
Posted on 2/26/19 at 3:02 pm to notsince98
It’s amazing that you are able to get all of that from his first almost 2 years on the job. Without his best player, who would go on to being a first round pick both seasons.
I still have no idea what his real potential is as a coach. At Cal he had their best tournament seed ever. Unfortunately 2 of his starters missed the tournament game, but that was a sweet 16 caliber team.
I still have no idea what his real potential is as a coach. At Cal he had their best tournament seed ever. Unfortunately 2 of his starters missed the tournament game, but that was a sweet 16 caliber team.
Posted on 2/27/19 at 9:17 am to wubilli
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It’s amazing that you are able to get all of that from his first almost 2 years on the job. Without his best player, who would go on to being a first round pick both seasons.
I still have no idea what his real potential is as a coach. At Cal he had their best tournament seed ever. Unfortunately 2 of his starters missed the tournament game, but that was a sweet 16 caliber tea
He is no spring chicken. There is plenty to analyze.
If you want to just focus on his time at Mizzou, there is almost 2 full seasons of game data. You just have to look at who he had on the floor and how they played to judge him.
Lets look at last year for example. The first half of the season the team was allowed to push some pace and play a bit loose offensively. Cuonzo purposely slowed them down (even before injuries) in conference play. This works when you have playmakers that can create in crunch time. We didn't have any.
Fast forward to this year, same problems.
His defensive coaching is OK. His teams position well both on and off ball. Nobody is great at shutdown defense but overall positioning is solid. His guys rebound OK with plenty of room to get more aggressive on the boards.
His teams don't really execute in the final 4 minutes of games. Blown lead after blown lead and the mounting number of blowout losses just isn't the sign of a great coach. He is not a terrible coach but is average what we want?
Is this all roster issues? If Martin gets credit for the roster in year 1 he should get credit for it in year 2.
Posted on 2/27/19 at 9:51 am to notsince98
he definitely slowed them down in year 1 after a 3 game SEC losing streak. Which the team responded to. They were still playing either 3 on 5 or 4 on 5 offensively.
The only way to build on that season was to have another recruiting class full of 5 star recruits.
I like what I’ve seen from a team building perspective, even if it means that the team is bad this season. There are 6 players that will be the core of the next 2 seasons already on the roster, though the 2 best of that 6 aren’t playing right now. That will make it easier to recruit to specific needs going forward
The only way to build on that season was to have another recruiting class full of 5 star recruits.
I like what I’ve seen from a team building perspective, even if it means that the team is bad this season. There are 6 players that will be the core of the next 2 seasons already on the roster, though the 2 best of that 6 aren’t playing right now. That will make it easier to recruit to specific needs going forward
Posted on 2/27/19 at 10:50 am to the808bass
Last night, I had absolutely nothing to do. Despite a long fandom of things Mizzou, I chose to watch some wrestling on the Big 10 channel...and didn't find out our BB score until just now. Should I feel ashamed?
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