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Posted on 1/16/23 at 9:54 pm
Posted by BamaMan95
Los Angeles California
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Posted on 1/16/23 at 9:54 pm
I would like to say injuries are part of the game. Because one could say Bama does not beat Texas if Colt McCoy was not injuried.. but sheesh How could anyone watch John metchie and Jameson Williams go down from none contact injuries and not view thats as a gift to UGA. If I was an alien from out of space I would think they mopped the floor with us according Paul Finbaum Hats off to UGA, but these narrative are interesting. Hopefully Saban gets the coordinators right and revitalizes the program look forward to hearing your thoughts Bama nation.
Posted by samson73103
Krypton
Member since Nov 2008
8112 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 6:59 am to
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one could say Bama does not beat Texas if Colt McCoy was not injuried

How do we know this to be true?
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86445 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:33 am to
I'll chime in, and I do know I'm a guest here so will try to be as objective as can be.

The WR thing is the only thing that people constantly harp on when comparing those 2 games, yet for some reason unbeknownst to me people completely and totally ignore the other MASSIVE difference which is that we played an entirely difference defense in the SECCG than we did in the title game. In 2021 we played defense pretty much the exact same way in 14 games, and an entirely different way in 1. This is pure conjecture on my part but my GUESS is that our coaches tried ot think so many steps ahead and they ended up outsmarting themselves. My GUESS is that our coahces basically said somehting like "Ok, saban has 12 games of film on our defense doing ABC. So to counter that, he's going to do XYZ. So that means, we ghave to do something to counteract XYZ.". We played a lot looser off the ball than we did in most other games. We played FAR more QB contain that we did in any other game, it's like we were absolutely terrified of Bryce running that that was priority #1 was to not let him get out of hte pocket. There are numerous examples of some of our 1st round NFLers on the DL just absically standing straight up a thte snap and just kinda hanging out and not even considering rushing the passer.

Of course it'd be foolish to discount the loss of 2 great WRS, obviously that had an impact on the game. But it's annoying that nobody ever points out our completely assbackwards defensive game plan either. Fast forward to the NCG and you can see we emmployed the saem defense we played every other game. The DL rushed like crazy, we played more tight man coverage at CB. We brought more pressure. In that game we didn't care of Brryce got some yards on the ground, the bigger priority was making him unconfortable and not letting him have all day to pick us apart like he did in the SECCG. I think any neutral observer would agree that we got to him MUCH more often in game 2, and that has nothing to do wiht WRs being in or out.

Paul Finebaum is an idiot so I don't have any idea what he's said that prompted this thread. But I do think that our defensive gameplanning from game 1 to 2 is woefully undervalued in regards to the outcomes.
This post was edited on 1/17/23 at 7:35 am
Posted by remaster916
Alabama
Member since Oct 2012
12220 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:36 am to
We don't.

We do know what happened when Bama had Williams and Metchie against Georgia.

If Scarborough doesn't break his leg in the NCG, Bama likely goes back to back in 15-16.

Let's not forget the injuries to Diggs, Buggs, Allen, Lewis or Miller in the 2nd NCG loss to Clemson. Those were big defensive players that missed the game.

2019 was wrecked by injuries before the season started and got worse from there.

Injuries probably cost Alabama 3 titles and maybe even a 4th.
Posted by jryanw
Bham, AL
Member since Dec 2013
4612 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:39 am to
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Because one could say Bama does not beat Texas if Colt McCoy


If if this was true, and it’s not, these injuries are not the same. Bama hurt Colt by hitting him. Our size and strength was too much for him. Metchie and Jamo were both non-contract acl injuries. UGA had nothing to do with them. Those injuries could’ve happened against the Citadel just as easy as they happened against UGA. If fine to say we would’ve best UGA if they didn’t get injured without acknowledging Colt.
Posted by labamafan
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2007
24263 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:52 am to
I understand your point. Georgia defense played much better that game. That tight man coverage though is much easier to do against slide bolden than Metchie and Williams. That said from a Bama perspective watching the game winning play be dropped by Hall when you’ve held the lead for nearly the entire game and mowing Metchie and William easily make that play is one reason why you see Bama fans react this way.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86445 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 8:06 am to
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I understand your point. Georgia defense played much better that game. That tight man coverage though is much easier to do against slide bolden than Metchie and Williams.


I don't disagree. Obviously you'd rather face backups than starters. My point though was that our entire defensive gameplan was night and day different from one game to another, which reflections 100% on our planning and not on the players on the other team.

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watching the game winning play be dropped by Hall when you’ve held the lead for nearly the entire game and mowing Metchie and William easily make that play is one reason why you see Bama fans react this way.


I undesrtand but we could easily say similar things. Our best pass rusher was lost for the season in jacksonville, wouldn't it stand to reason he could've been a big help in the SECCG? We also lost an all american DB and our starting RG early in the season, who knows how much they could've helped. Pickens was clearly not fully healthy and only got a handful of snaps. Etc.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
5890 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 9:03 am to
Simply put, there is a sentiment that someone new needs to be a top dog. Alabama’s offense fell apart over the course of 2021. Basically every tailback was playing injured or out injured. The top two WRs were gone by the 2nd quarter of the CFPCG. Then Alabama wildly underachieved on defense in 2022.

Everyone has been hoping for this circumstance for a decade where Alabama slips and someone else seized. You can sense it in how every time Alabama doesn’t win a title some talking head is eulogizing the program. The difference this time is someone actually took advantage of Alabama floundering and got a repeat.
Posted by m2pro
Member since Nov 2008
28597 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:45 am to
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How do we know this to be true?



Yeah, I contend that our whole game plan was for mccoy, and he was knocked out early. Good teams always play best in their first or second quarter. It's about who can play well for 4.

I think we would have destroyed them either way.
Posted by TS1926
Alabama
Member since Jan 2020
5735 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 2:52 pm to
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Because one could say Bama does not beat Texas if Colt McCoy was not injuried


Not an exact comparison. In order to be a similar comparison of events Bama would have played Texas a month before in a game where Colt Mccoy went off and Texas destroyed Bama.
Posted by OldPete
Georgia
Member since Oct 2013
2804 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 3:02 pm to
Depends on the game…

Colt McCoy was 2-2 for 9 yards when he left the game; I think we win that game regardless of their QB…

Quin Ewers was torching our secondary when he was knocked outta the game; I think we lose that game if he hadn’t gotten injured…
Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
In The Ham
Member since Nov 2017
11659 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 3:20 pm to
You won the game.

No way in hell do you think the loss of our two best receivers didn't alter the game then you sir are a big liar.
Posted by 1LoudTideFan
Member since May 2008
3596 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 5:18 pm to
Bo Scarborough doesn’t get hurt in the 2017 game we win that one too. We were in full control until he went down.
Posted by CrimsonFever
Gump Hard or Go Home
Member since Jul 2012
17937 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:23 pm to
Why do we have so many Georgia, Auburn, and Arkansas fans with access to this board?

I don't see rival teams posters posting on other team boards.


Give me access to the Auburn and Arkansas boards pleaseeee.
Posted by CrimsonFever
Gump Hard or Go Home
Member since Jul 2012
17937 posts
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:29 pm to
It will be interesting to see if Saban can overtake Kirby and Georgia and get us back to the top of the mountain. I have 100% confidence that he can. With this class coming in and the coaching changes he is making you can tell he is hungry.

This is the moment I knew....




This post was edited on 1/17/23 at 7:36 pm
Posted by TS1926
Alabama
Member since Jan 2020
5735 posts
Posted on 1/18/23 at 10:44 am to
quote:

Depends on the game…

Colt McCoy was 2-2 for 9 yards when he left the game; I think we win that game regardless of their QB…


I think you missed the whole point.
We had a body of work with Georgia. We scorched them in a game only a month before. Texas had never played us.
Posted by TS1926
Alabama
Member since Jan 2020
5735 posts
Posted on 1/18/23 at 10:47 am to
quote:

I don't disagree. Obviously you'd rather face backups than starters. My point though was that our entire defensive gameplan was night and day different from one game to another, which reflections 100% on our planning and not on the players on the other team.


You were still struggling early on covering Williams and some of the other receivers. Williams going out was the catalyst. That game was heading to four full quarters at worst for Bama with Williams on the field.
Posted by TS1926
Alabama
Member since Jan 2020
5735 posts
Posted on 1/18/23 at 10:48 am to
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Pickens was clearly not fully healthy and only got a handful of snaps. Etc.


LOL comparing Pickens with Williams...just LOL!
Posted by hnds2th
Valley of the Sun
Member since May 2019
3030 posts
Posted on 1/18/23 at 12:32 pm to
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This post was edited on 2/23/23 at 12:29 pm
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