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Will Kiffin leave?
Posted on 10/28/21 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 10/28/21 at 1:09 pm
I almost hate to start this topic, but I REALLY want some feedback from people who are closer to the situation. I'm sure most of you have seen the lists of possible candidates for the LSU and USC head coaching jobs, so no doubt you've seen - as I have - that Lane Kiffin is mentioned in every one of them. Here are some reasons I think Kiffin will at least consider moving on:
First, Matt Corral is gone after this year. In TWO pressers I've seen Kiffin has stated in no uncertain terms that OM would not be 6-1 (10-2 last 12 games) without Corral. Altmyer was a great recruting win, but he's likely no Matt Corral.
Dontario Drummund and Braylon Sanders, gone. OM has some good receiving weapons coming on, but the Reb's days of possessing the nation's best receiving corps likely are gone for the immediate future.
Jake Springer, the key to the defensive improvement - gone.
LSU and USC are both national championship programs. Ole Miss is not.
Recruiting at LSU and USC is infinitely easier than at OM. No other in-state competition (for LSU) and national championship status.
Both schools can pay Kiffin more than OM.
No doubt his buddy Orgeron tried to influence Kiffin. He didn't want Kiffin to go to OM in the first place.
Here's a BIG one that most OM fans are overlooking: The OM fans are letting Kiffin down, big time. In almost every presser this season Kiffin has mentioned the lack of fan support. OM has a Heisman-level QB, one of the most effective and dynamic offenses in the nation, and a 6-1 record...and it took "Eli Manning Day" to finally fill up that dinky 64k seat stadium. Don't think Kiffin didn't notice the mayhem provided by 106k maniacal fans at Neyland. He'll also be aware of the insanity at Auburn this weekend. And he'll compare it to the low-energy atmosphere and empty seats at VH.
I got a bad feeling Monday when Kiffin mentioned Rebel fans expectations. He knows OM fans expect/demand excellence and many still act like it's 1959-60. Hell, I'm as guilty as anyone. I called for Durkin's head two weeks ago, LOL.
What do yall think? Can we keep Kiffin in Oxford?
First, Matt Corral is gone after this year. In TWO pressers I've seen Kiffin has stated in no uncertain terms that OM would not be 6-1 (10-2 last 12 games) without Corral. Altmyer was a great recruting win, but he's likely no Matt Corral.
Dontario Drummund and Braylon Sanders, gone. OM has some good receiving weapons coming on, but the Reb's days of possessing the nation's best receiving corps likely are gone for the immediate future.
Jake Springer, the key to the defensive improvement - gone.
LSU and USC are both national championship programs. Ole Miss is not.
Recruiting at LSU and USC is infinitely easier than at OM. No other in-state competition (for LSU) and national championship status.
Both schools can pay Kiffin more than OM.
No doubt his buddy Orgeron tried to influence Kiffin. He didn't want Kiffin to go to OM in the first place.
Here's a BIG one that most OM fans are overlooking: The OM fans are letting Kiffin down, big time. In almost every presser this season Kiffin has mentioned the lack of fan support. OM has a Heisman-level QB, one of the most effective and dynamic offenses in the nation, and a 6-1 record...and it took "Eli Manning Day" to finally fill up that dinky 64k seat stadium. Don't think Kiffin didn't notice the mayhem provided by 106k maniacal fans at Neyland. He'll also be aware of the insanity at Auburn this weekend. And he'll compare it to the low-energy atmosphere and empty seats at VH.
I got a bad feeling Monday when Kiffin mentioned Rebel fans expectations. He knows OM fans expect/demand excellence and many still act like it's 1959-60. Hell, I'm as guilty as anyone. I called for Durkin's head two weeks ago, LOL.
What do yall think? Can we keep Kiffin in Oxford?
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Posted on 10/28/21 at 1:30 pm to jakesnake66
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I almost hate to start this topic, but I REALLY want some feedback from people who are closer to the situation.
You can't get much closer to the situation than I am.
What are your questions for me?
Posted on 10/28/21 at 1:33 pm to jakesnake66
First you need to take USC out of this equation. He isn’t going back there unless it is to beat their arse.
Second you need to read the interviews that he and his father have given about the USC decision. Kiffin has out right said he didn’t know about the severity of the sanctions he would face and had he had more experience he wouldn’t have taken it. That being said LSU has the NCAA and a Title IX investigation swirling…..so I think you can take LSU off the table.
Lastly I think Kiffin knows he is building something here. As you get older and wiser it is cool to build your legacy. I hope Kiffin at this point in life and if we pay him he’ll stay and build the program….just my thoughts.
Second you need to read the interviews that he and his father have given about the USC decision. Kiffin has out right said he didn’t know about the severity of the sanctions he would face and had he had more experience he wouldn’t have taken it. That being said LSU has the NCAA and a Title IX investigation swirling…..so I think you can take LSU off the table.
Lastly I think Kiffin knows he is building something here. As you get older and wiser it is cool to build your legacy. I hope Kiffin at this point in life and if we pay him he’ll stay and build the program….just my thoughts.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 1:34 pm to Tornado Alley
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Posted on 10/28/21 at 1:40 pm to DownSouthJukin
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Posted on 10/28/21 at 1:43 pm to Tornado Alley
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Posted on 10/28/21 at 1:44 pm to jakesnake66
The expectations here are lower than USC and LSU, so if he could win 9ish games a year here then he would never have to worry about job security. Also, the Grove definitely takes away fans from the stadium plus VHS is absolute garbage in general (hopefully renovations down the line will fix this). We've been able to replace WRs for like the last 5 seasons so I wouldn't worry about that. I doubt he leaves anytime soon but posts like this make us look bad....
Posted on 10/28/21 at 1:50 pm to jakesnake66
2 things.
One. Remember how for the last half decade what States fans went through with Mullen. Every off season he was the most talked about name. Every offseason they had to sit around and hope he stayed around. Well i thnk thats what is going to happen to us. Every year as long as we have Kiffin when a blue blood open ups he will be on top of the list. Because why would anyone stay at OM.
two. I personally think he will stick around as long as he feels he can compete and win the West/Natty. Once he reaches a point and he is honest with himself and says "ive done all i can do here" then he may move on. Much like what i think Mullen also did with State.
I dont think Kiffin bails this early though.
One. Remember how for the last half decade what States fans went through with Mullen. Every off season he was the most talked about name. Every offseason they had to sit around and hope he stayed around. Well i thnk thats what is going to happen to us. Every year as long as we have Kiffin when a blue blood open ups he will be on top of the list. Because why would anyone stay at OM.
two. I personally think he will stick around as long as he feels he can compete and win the West/Natty. Once he reaches a point and he is honest with himself and says "ive done all i can do here" then he may move on. Much like what i think Mullen also did with State.
I dont think Kiffin bails this early though.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 2:09 pm to GatorReb
Dan and Meg hated Starkville from the getgo and as soon as he started building his resume he put his name out for any opening that would not be a negative move.
No telling what Kiffin really wants yet as he plays his cards closer than Dan. How OM supports with the NIL thing, I believe, will be a key, and how proactive Administration is in giving him competitive compensation will be another. The last thing that we need is to let any other team put us on the defensive financially. It appears that Kiffin is ready to focus on being a great coach. He can recruit, coach, he's maybe the best at generating interest and positive publicity in the country and we need to step into the big time if that's where we want to be.
No telling what Kiffin really wants yet as he plays his cards closer than Dan. How OM supports with the NIL thing, I believe, will be a key, and how proactive Administration is in giving him competitive compensation will be another. The last thing that we need is to let any other team put us on the defensive financially. It appears that Kiffin is ready to focus on being a great coach. He can recruit, coach, he's maybe the best at generating interest and positive publicity in the country and we need to step into the big time if that's where we want to be.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 2:28 pm to jakesnake66
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Altmyer was a great recruting win, but he's likely no Matt Corral.
Way too early to make that call.
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the Reb's days of possessing the nation's best receiving corps likely are gone for the immediate future
What are you basing this on? You have to remember that having depth at receiver is just as important as star talent. We had no receiver depth for years under Luke. Kiffin is building depth at receiver as we speak, and the star talent will come. Matt Luke and co. did a really horrible job recruiting top tier WRs.
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Both schools can pay Kiffin more than OM.
Not necessarily true. LSU is shelling out $17M for Oregon to leave, and don't think we can't match a $6M - $7M contract. We absolutely can.
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The OM fans are letting Kiffin down, big time.
The Arkansas and LSU games had plenty of Ole Miss fans. We're fine in this department. However, we have to abandon the small school mentality that our fan base has had over the past few years. We are a big time school with big time players and a big time coach, and it's time we start acting like it.
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What do yall think? Can we keep Kiffin in Oxford?
We absolutely can if we keep winning on the field and on the recruiting trail. Wouldn't it be the most Lane Kiffin thing ever to NOT jump for a bigger school, when everyone expects him to do so?
Something we all need to do is stop focusing on when he’s going to leave. He’s in his second year and he has a four year contract that he can’t easily be bought out of. It’s way too early to be having these discussions, especially when we are 10-2 over our last 12 games and ranked in the Top 10.
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Posted on 10/28/21 at 2:52 pm to RebelTheBear
I like the way you think.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 3:03 pm to RebelTheBear
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Matt Luke and co. did a really horrible job recruiting top tier WRs.
Wrong.
Matt Luke and Co. signed Elijah Moore (2018), Jonathan Mingo (2019), and Dontarrio Drummond (2019)
Posted on 10/28/21 at 3:04 pm to RebelTheBear
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Something we all need to do is stop focusing on when he’s going to leave.
Agreed.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 3:17 pm to Oxford Ways
"...posts like this make us look bad...."
Why? This is an Ole Miss football discussion forum. I opened by expressing my doubts about posting this topic, but I don't see why any legitimate football topic would be off limits. I get the feeling I may have read more internet scuttlebutt than others. I didn't create this question out of thin air. I've read perhaps 5-8 articles regarding the coaching searches, and Kiffin's name has been in every one. I can provide links if anyone is interested. I'm NOT trying to stir up crap, and I darn sure don't want any flames or arguments. I think we can all agree Kiffin has jumped around a bit - for whatever reasons - so I think these issues should be discussed. My intent certainly is not to make OM fans look bad.
Why? This is an Ole Miss football discussion forum. I opened by expressing my doubts about posting this topic, but I don't see why any legitimate football topic would be off limits. I get the feeling I may have read more internet scuttlebutt than others. I didn't create this question out of thin air. I've read perhaps 5-8 articles regarding the coaching searches, and Kiffin's name has been in every one. I can provide links if anyone is interested. I'm NOT trying to stir up crap, and I darn sure don't want any flames or arguments. I think we can all agree Kiffin has jumped around a bit - for whatever reasons - so I think these issues should be discussed. My intent certainly is not to make OM fans look bad.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 3:42 pm to Tornado Alley
"Something we all need to do is stop focusing on when he’s going to leave.
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Agreed."
I'm not trying to jump the gun, put out bad energy or anything like that. I simply was asking for what I got: counter-points to some of the arguments put forth by others regarding why Kiffin might consider other positions.
As to the comment that I'm speaking too soon about Altmyer, I'm just siding with the percentages. In OM's long and illustrious football history, the Rebs have never had a Heisman winner. We've had three third place finishers: Jake Gibbs (who I was named after, check my screen name), Archie, and Eli. Now we have a young man who is a front-runner. Statistically speaking, to follow a Heisman candidate with another QB at or very near Corral's abilities is unlikely. That's all I'm saying. Heck, Altmyer may become the greatest QB in OM history.
Regarding my comment about the receivers, the same principle applies. We've had such elite receivers over the past few years - from Laquon Treadwell to AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, Elijah Moore...and now Sanders, Mingo, and Drummond...not to mention under-utilized but supremely talented former Rebel and current NFL standout, Dawson Knox - that I think some OM fans just take having world class Rebel receivers for granted.
True, OM has some outstanding talent coming up - Jadon Jackson, Jalen Knox, and perhaps the best TE recruit OM has landed in years, Hudson Wolfe. But the past 5-6 years have just been unreal where receiving talent is concerned.
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Agreed."
I'm not trying to jump the gun, put out bad energy or anything like that. I simply was asking for what I got: counter-points to some of the arguments put forth by others regarding why Kiffin might consider other positions.
As to the comment that I'm speaking too soon about Altmyer, I'm just siding with the percentages. In OM's long and illustrious football history, the Rebs have never had a Heisman winner. We've had three third place finishers: Jake Gibbs (who I was named after, check my screen name), Archie, and Eli. Now we have a young man who is a front-runner. Statistically speaking, to follow a Heisman candidate with another QB at or very near Corral's abilities is unlikely. That's all I'm saying. Heck, Altmyer may become the greatest QB in OM history.
Regarding my comment about the receivers, the same principle applies. We've had such elite receivers over the past few years - from Laquon Treadwell to AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, Elijah Moore...and now Sanders, Mingo, and Drummond...not to mention under-utilized but supremely talented former Rebel and current NFL standout, Dawson Knox - that I think some OM fans just take having world class Rebel receivers for granted.
True, OM has some outstanding talent coming up - Jadon Jackson, Jalen Knox, and perhaps the best TE recruit OM has landed in years, Hudson Wolfe. But the past 5-6 years have just been unreal where receiving talent is concerned.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 4:31 pm to jakesnake66
Kiffin will eventually leave for a bigger job if he continues his success at OM. That's just the way this works. I don't see him leaving this year for LSU or USC. His name will be on the list when interviews start but I don't think his story in Oxford is through after this season. Keep in mind that this is a good problem to have. It's a much better situation than having a coach that nobody would want.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 4:33 pm to Smokerjoe
If Florida's season gets worse and they pull the trigger on Mullen I will be worried.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 4:46 pm to Smokerjoe
No way kiffin goes to lsu. As was stated earlier he had no idea about the shite storm he was walking into at usc.
I don’t see him walking into an open investigation.
I don’t see him walking into an open investigation.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 4:56 pm to jakesnake66
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I'm not trying to jump the gun, put out bad energy or anything like that. I simply was asking for what I got: counter-points to some of the arguments put forth by others regarding why Kiffin might consider other positions.
The fact of the matter is unless you have a metric ton of money you don't mind parting ways with, you have no control over whether the Lane Train stays in Oxford or departs for another station. That goes for donating money to the school or influencing legislators to re-do public contract law in Mississippi.
It doesn't matter about how rowdy the stadium is. It doesn't matter about how many butts we put in the seats. What matters is what Lane's bank account looks like (salary, bonuses, and endorsements) and if he thinks he is maximizing his potential at a given program.
With that in mind, don't worry about it. There's nothing you can do to alter the situation (unless you're the rich dude referenced in my first paragraph). Enjoy this season. It's been a lot of fun and we still have four great games left on the schedule.
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Posted on 10/28/21 at 5:43 pm to Smokerjoe
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If Florida's season gets worse and they pull the trigger on Mullen I will be worried.
I agree with this statement. My opinion on some things:
1. Agree our fans are not the best but we are a small school in a small state and the unwashed masses in that state tend to favor MSU;
2. Kiffin is NOT going to USC period. I doubt he goes to LSU either with Orgeron hovering in the wings and investigations pending. Also, LSU probably needs someone squeaky clean; not someone with the alias Joey Freshwater.
3. I think Kiffin is enjoying the low pressure at Ole Miss. It shows in his efforts in recruiting, which are subpar.
4. I want him to stay, but I'm not going to get worked up over him leaving. Just leave the program in good shape and pay us a big buyout.
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