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Texas A&M fans - is the talent level there what it looks like?
Posted on 10/4/21 at 10:08 am
Posted on 10/4/21 at 10:08 am
You all look like the talent is not up to upper-echelon SEC standards.
Perhaps I am not understanding what I see. The state of Texas turns out a lot of talent, from all accounts. Is Jimbo not getting it done or what is your explanation.
Perhaps I am not understanding what I see. The state of Texas turns out a lot of talent, from all accounts. Is Jimbo not getting it done or what is your explanation.
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Posted on 10/4/21 at 11:04 am to bunkerhill
Not enough 5 star recruits. Simple as that. One or two per class doesn’t cut it. Seems like we develop a 4* guy into someone who can play at the next level every couple years. But…still just not getting enough 5* guys
Posted on 10/4/21 at 11:23 am to Flying DeLorean
Thats really why you lost to arkansas and state?
Posted on 10/4/21 at 11:29 am to Flying DeLorean
Last 4-years recruiting average
A&M. 8th
MSU. 22nd
Arkansas 25th
A&M. 8th
MSU. 22nd
Arkansas 25th
Posted on 10/4/21 at 11:30 am to bunkerhill
We have great talent everywhere but QB and oline. Had some flat out misses at OL, combined with injuries, that have left the position thin. Not enough depth to overcome those shortcomings. Thats on the coaching staff.
King looked ok in his 1 game. Calzada looks like dog shite. No depth at QB. Big failure there.
The rest of the roster is pretty solid, but those holes are big. And make our offense 1 dimensional, and easy to exploit by any decent defense, which is most of the SEC.
King looked ok in his 1 game. Calzada looks like dog shite. No depth at QB. Big failure there.
The rest of the roster is pretty solid, but those holes are big. And make our offense 1 dimensional, and easy to exploit by any decent defense, which is most of the SEC.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 11:30 am to bunkerhill
Are we just talking state of Texas talent or entire roster?
Breakdown by class of who is on the team.
2016 Class
-Aaron Hansford: 4 star LB that was moved to offense now back to defense and starting at LB.
2017 Class
-Hezekiah Jones: 4 star WR who has no career TD catches
-Grayson Reed: 4 star OL who is on the roster but doesn't play
-Jayden Peevy: 4 star DL who starts at nose
-Keldrick Carper: 3 star DB who rotates in and out at S
-Michael Clemons: 3 star DL who starts at DE
-Myles Jones: 3 star DB who started at corner in 2020 but has been injured.
-Tyree Johnson: 3 star DL who rotates in at DE on passing downs
2018
-Leon O'Neal: 4 star DB who starts at S
-Jalen Preston: 4 star WR who has largely been nonexistent but starts now
-Max Wright: 4 star DE who moved to TE
-Caleb Chapman: 4 star WR who has been injured nearly his entire career
-Luke Matthews: 4 star OL who has been injured his entire career
-Seth Small: 3 star kicker
2019
-Kenyon Green: 5 star OL who starts at Guard now
-Demarvin Leal: 5 star DL who starts at DE
-Baylor Cupp: 5 star TE who hasn't played more than 7 total plays
-Brian Williams: 4 star DB who rotates in at safety and nickel
Demani Richardson: 4 star DB who starts at S
-Erick Young: 4 star DB who has been injured a lot. Backup Nickel
-Isaiah Spiller: starting RB
-Braeden Mowry: 4 star DE who hasn't played a snap
-Andre White: 4 star LB who starts
-Derick Hunter: 4 star DL who is now on OL and doesn't play
-Jalen Wydermyer: 4 star TE who starts
-Kenyon Jackson: 3 star 6'6 WR who doesn't play
-Layden Robinson: 3 star OL who starts at guard
-Zach Calzada: 3 star QB attempting to play LOLOLOLOLOLOL
-Adarious Jones: 3 star DL who rotates in at tackle
-Chase Lane: 3 star WR who started at one point
-Tarian Lee: 3 star LB who largely plays on ST
-Ainias Smith: 3 star ATH who starts at WR
-Blake Trainor: 3 star OL who rotates in
-Chris Russell: 3 star LB who rotates in
-RJ Orebo: 3 star LB who is now at DE and barely plays
-Caden Davis: 3 star K who does kickoffs
-Nic Constantinou: 2 star P who starts
2020
-Jaylon Jones: 5 star DB who starts at CB
-Demond Demas: 5 star WR who starts
-Donell Harris: 4 star DL who rotates in at DE
-McKinnley Jackson: 4 star DL who starts at DT
-Antonio Johnson: 4 star DB who starts at Nickel
-Antonio Doyle: 4 star LB who hardly plays
-Haynes King: 4 star QB who should be starting were it not for injury
-Devon Achane: 4 star RB who plays frequently
-Fadil Diggs: 4 star DL who rotates in at DE
-Muhsin Muhammad: 4 star WR who needs to play a LOT more
-Edgerrin Cooper: 4 star LB who should start but is hurt
-Aki Ogunbiyi: 4 star OL who was starting at G until he got hurt
-Brian George: 4 star CB who was starting until he got hurt
-Josh Moten: 4 star CB who never plays
-Isaiah Raikes: 3 star DL who rotates in at DT
-Dallas Walker: 3 star DL who rotates in at DT
-Darvon Hubbard: 3 star RB who doesn't play
-Devin Price: 3 star WR who hardly plays (son of DE coach)
-Blake Smith: 3 star TE who doesn't play
-Josh Bankhead: 3 star OL who doesn't play
-Smart Chibuzo: 3 star OL who doesn't play
-Deondre Jackson: 3 star RB who hardly plays
-Earnest Crownover: 3 star RB who hardly plays
-Jordan Jefferson: 3 star OL who moved to DL and doesn't play
-Zach Daniel: 3 star QB transfer from Hawaii who doesn't play
2021
-Shemar Turner: 5 star DL who played a lot before he got hurt
-Tunmise Adeleye: 4 star DL who hasn't played yet
-LJ Johnson: 4 star RB who has played in 1 game
-Bryce Foster: 4 star OL starting at C
-Marcus Burris: 4 star DL who played in 1 game
-Reuben Fatheree: 4 star OL starting at RT
-Eli Stowers: 4 star QB now at TE who doesn't play
-Elijah Jeudy: 4 star DL who played in 1 game
-Jahzion Harris: 4 star DL who played in 1 game
-Deuce Harmon: 4 star DB who currently starts at CB due to injuries
-Amari Daniels: 4 star RB who played in 1 game
-Jardin Gilbert: 4 star DB who rotates in at S
-Dreydon Norwood: 4 star DB who plays some at CB
-Yulkeith Brown: 4 star ATH who hasn't played a game at WR
-Trey Zuhn: 4 star OL who played 1 game
-Jordan Moko: 3 star OL who played 1 game
-Remington Strickland: 3 star OL who hasn't played
-Matthew Wykoff: 3 star OL who is the backup center
-Albert Regis: 3 star DL who hasn't played
-Tyreek Chapell: 3 star DB who plays a lot at CB due to injuries
-Dametrious Crownover: 3 star TE who moved to OL
-Fernando Garza: 3 star TE who is recovering from injury
-Jahmir Johnson: 3 star OL transfer from Tennessee who starts at LT
Breakdown by class of who is on the team.
2016 Class
-Aaron Hansford: 4 star LB that was moved to offense now back to defense and starting at LB.
2017 Class
-Hezekiah Jones: 4 star WR who has no career TD catches
-Grayson Reed: 4 star OL who is on the roster but doesn't play
-Jayden Peevy: 4 star DL who starts at nose
-Keldrick Carper: 3 star DB who rotates in and out at S
-Michael Clemons: 3 star DL who starts at DE
-Myles Jones: 3 star DB who started at corner in 2020 but has been injured.
-Tyree Johnson: 3 star DL who rotates in at DE on passing downs
2018
-Leon O'Neal: 4 star DB who starts at S
-Jalen Preston: 4 star WR who has largely been nonexistent but starts now
-Max Wright: 4 star DE who moved to TE
-Caleb Chapman: 4 star WR who has been injured nearly his entire career
-Luke Matthews: 4 star OL who has been injured his entire career
-Seth Small: 3 star kicker
2019
-Kenyon Green: 5 star OL who starts at Guard now
-Demarvin Leal: 5 star DL who starts at DE
-Baylor Cupp: 5 star TE who hasn't played more than 7 total plays
-Brian Williams: 4 star DB who rotates in at safety and nickel
Demani Richardson: 4 star DB who starts at S
-Erick Young: 4 star DB who has been injured a lot. Backup Nickel
-Isaiah Spiller: starting RB
-Braeden Mowry: 4 star DE who hasn't played a snap
-Andre White: 4 star LB who starts
-Derick Hunter: 4 star DL who is now on OL and doesn't play
-Jalen Wydermyer: 4 star TE who starts
-Kenyon Jackson: 3 star 6'6 WR who doesn't play
-Layden Robinson: 3 star OL who starts at guard
-Zach Calzada: 3 star QB attempting to play LOLOLOLOLOLOL
-Adarious Jones: 3 star DL who rotates in at tackle
-Chase Lane: 3 star WR who started at one point
-Tarian Lee: 3 star LB who largely plays on ST
-Ainias Smith: 3 star ATH who starts at WR
-Blake Trainor: 3 star OL who rotates in
-Chris Russell: 3 star LB who rotates in
-RJ Orebo: 3 star LB who is now at DE and barely plays
-Caden Davis: 3 star K who does kickoffs
-Nic Constantinou: 2 star P who starts
2020
-Jaylon Jones: 5 star DB who starts at CB
-Demond Demas: 5 star WR who starts
-Donell Harris: 4 star DL who rotates in at DE
-McKinnley Jackson: 4 star DL who starts at DT
-Antonio Johnson: 4 star DB who starts at Nickel
-Antonio Doyle: 4 star LB who hardly plays
-Haynes King: 4 star QB who should be starting were it not for injury
-Devon Achane: 4 star RB who plays frequently
-Fadil Diggs: 4 star DL who rotates in at DE
-Muhsin Muhammad: 4 star WR who needs to play a LOT more
-Edgerrin Cooper: 4 star LB who should start but is hurt
-Aki Ogunbiyi: 4 star OL who was starting at G until he got hurt
-Brian George: 4 star CB who was starting until he got hurt
-Josh Moten: 4 star CB who never plays
-Isaiah Raikes: 3 star DL who rotates in at DT
-Dallas Walker: 3 star DL who rotates in at DT
-Darvon Hubbard: 3 star RB who doesn't play
-Devin Price: 3 star WR who hardly plays (son of DE coach)
-Blake Smith: 3 star TE who doesn't play
-Josh Bankhead: 3 star OL who doesn't play
-Smart Chibuzo: 3 star OL who doesn't play
-Deondre Jackson: 3 star RB who hardly plays
-Earnest Crownover: 3 star RB who hardly plays
-Jordan Jefferson: 3 star OL who moved to DL and doesn't play
-Zach Daniel: 3 star QB transfer from Hawaii who doesn't play
2021
-Shemar Turner: 5 star DL who played a lot before he got hurt
-Tunmise Adeleye: 4 star DL who hasn't played yet
-LJ Johnson: 4 star RB who has played in 1 game
-Bryce Foster: 4 star OL starting at C
-Marcus Burris: 4 star DL who played in 1 game
-Reuben Fatheree: 4 star OL starting at RT
-Eli Stowers: 4 star QB now at TE who doesn't play
-Elijah Jeudy: 4 star DL who played in 1 game
-Jahzion Harris: 4 star DL who played in 1 game
-Deuce Harmon: 4 star DB who currently starts at CB due to injuries
-Amari Daniels: 4 star RB who played in 1 game
-Jardin Gilbert: 4 star DB who rotates in at S
-Dreydon Norwood: 4 star DB who plays some at CB
-Yulkeith Brown: 4 star ATH who hasn't played a game at WR
-Trey Zuhn: 4 star OL who played 1 game
-Jordan Moko: 3 star OL who played 1 game
-Remington Strickland: 3 star OL who hasn't played
-Matthew Wykoff: 3 star OL who is the backup center
-Albert Regis: 3 star DL who hasn't played
-Tyreek Chapell: 3 star DB who plays a lot at CB due to injuries
-Dametrious Crownover: 3 star TE who moved to OL
-Fernando Garza: 3 star TE who is recovering from injury
-Jahmir Johnson: 3 star OL transfer from Tennessee who starts at LT
Posted on 10/4/21 at 11:33 am to Flying DeLorean
How many do you need per class? You aren’t Bama, UGA or OSU. So don’t expect 4+ per year.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 11:35 am to Dawgy49
They aren't that good or they wouldn't be losing like they are.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 11:37 am to bunkerhill
Texas kids don’t play a physical level of defense. Not being a smart arse but they’ve got to do a better job recruiting defenders outside of their own borders.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 11:38 am to CGSC Lobotomy
Texas HS athletes are overrated.
So you get 4 and 5 stars that are really 3 and 4 stars. And then if they're not developed and coached correctly then they get their arse whooped by 2 and 3 stars or even walk-ons.
So you get 4 and 5 stars that are really 3 and 4 stars. And then if they're not developed and coached correctly then they get their arse whooped by 2 and 3 stars or even walk-ons.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 11:39 am to dbeck
Yep
Posted on 10/4/21 at 11:42 am to bunkerhill
Scheme. Their defensive line is all 5*s and is the best part of their team by far.
Their OL is 5*s who are put in poor positions to succeed (Green being moved everywhere, Foster starting C). Same with their WRs, 5* Demas with like 6 catches in 2 years. That’s scheme. They have talent just below the top 5, but they aren’t coached and put in a position to succeed. And yes, LSU sucks so don’t think this is sour grapez
Their OL is 5*s who are put in poor positions to succeed (Green being moved everywhere, Foster starting C). Same with their WRs, 5* Demas with like 6 catches in 2 years. That’s scheme. They have talent just below the top 5, but they aren’t coached and put in a position to succeed. And yes, LSU sucks so don’t think this is sour grapez
Posted on 10/4/21 at 11:42 am to The_Ultimate_Warrior
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How many do you need per class? You aren’t Bama, UGA or OSU. So don’t expect 4+ per year.
Indeed. If only every player was a legit 5 star player! Some programs do fairly well with 1 or 2... or none.
Looking at that list of players and what they have done at A&M I'd say they have more than enough talent. Maybe that talent has not been developed particularly well, but its not like A&M is having to settle for players that weren't up to the level of a program like Texas State.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 11:46 am to The_Ultimate_Warrior
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How many do you need per class? You aren’t Bama, UGA or OSU. So don’t expect 4+ per year.
Right. More would certainly be better. Green and Leal being the 5* upper classmen are consistently playing at a higher level than those around them. Coaching matters, but talent level does as well. We don’t have the talent level of a Georgia or Alabama. And we aren’t playing like we do. That simple.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 11:48 am to The_Ultimate_Warrior
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How many do you need per class? You aren’t Bama, UGA or OSU. So don’t expect 4+ per year.
What's more concerning is the sheer number of misses going back to 2016: (rankings are where they are ranked in the A&M class)
2016 class
2-Kellen Dietsch: 4 star OL who never played and transferred to Arizona State
5-Clyde Chriss: 4 star WR who transferred after 2 seasons
6-Travon Fuller: 4 star DB who barely played
2017 class
1-Anthony Hines: 4 star LB who didn't amount to much and opted out of 2020
2-Jhamon Ausbon: 4 star WR who was slow as frick and opted out of 2020
4-Derrick Tucker: 4 star DB who fell off the depth chart early
5-Hezekiah Jones: 4 star WR with 0 career TD catches
6-Grayson Reed: 4 star OL. Highest ranked in the class. Injury prone
2018
3-Colten Blanton: 4 star OL. Injury prone and retired
6-Jordan Moore: 4 star DB who transferred after year 1
7-Tank Jenkins: 4 star OL who was JAG (just a guy) and transferred
8-Jeremiah Martin: 4 star DL who transferred to UW
9-Jashaun Corbin: 4 star RB who now starts for FSU
10-James Foster: 4 star QB bust who now holds a clipboard at Charlotte
11-Caleb Chapman: 4 star injury prone WR
12-Vernon Jackson: 4 star RB who suffered a career ending neck injury
13-Luke Matthews: 4 star OL who, were he not the youngest son of Bruce Matthews, would be another JAG
2019
3-Baylor Cupp: 5 star TE who was supposed to be on the field at the same time as Wydermyer. Still hasn't happened
4-Dylan Wright: 4 star WR who transferred to Minnesota
9-Kam Brown: 4 star WR who transferred to UCLA
10-Elijah Blades: 4 star JUCO WR who transferred to Florida
14-KeShun Brown: 4 star LB who spent more time being a thug POS than making the depth chart
2020
7-Chris Morris: 4 star OL who got arrested and kicked off the team in 2021
2021
5-Shadrach Banks: 4 star WR who showed up to spring ball excessively fat then transferred to TCU. the only WR in the 2021 class which proves that A&M should NEVER offer North Shore players
Posted on 10/4/21 at 11:52 am to bunkerhill
Definitely not across the board, OP. For example, A&M needs faster shut-down corners who don't get burned in man coverage which was a problem last year as well. They got exposed on Saturday night.
Then there's the obvious issue with rebuilding the o-line this season which is causing problems everywhere on offense along with a backup QB who is not playing at the level he should be in his third year on campus.
Then there's the obvious issue with rebuilding the o-line this season which is causing problems everywhere on offense along with a backup QB who is not playing at the level he should be in his third year on campus.
This post was edited on 10/4/21 at 11:52 am
Posted on 10/4/21 at 11:52 am to adambomb
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Scheme. Their defensive line is all 5*s and is the best part of their team by far.
Leal is the only 5 star. Jackson and Peevy are 4 stars and Clemons is a 3 star JUCO
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Their OL is 5*s who are put in poor positions to succeed (Green being moved everywhere, Foster starting C)
Kenyon Green is the only 5 star OL A&M has signed since 2003. Foster, Fatheree and Ogunbiyi are 4 star, Robinson is 3 star and Jahmir Johnson a 3 star transfer from UT
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Same with their WRs, 5* Demas with like 6 catches in 2 years.
Demas only plays now because overrated as frick Caleb Chapman is injured. Muhammad should be playing over overrated as frick Jalen Preston but doesn't.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 11:53 am to Thorin Oakenswine
Those games were lost primarily due to a combination of poor offensive line play, receivers unable to get separation , and a quarterback unable to make accurate throws. Result was the opponent scored more than we did. Won’t necessarily blame the defense to the same degree as the offense, as the opponents did not exceed their season averages for points scored, but that logic is probably flawed.
Combination of missing elite level talent and depth at all positions, injuries forcing a lot of youth on the field, and most importantly, poor coaching and scheming considering those limitations. That cover enough of it for you? Or do I need to speak in words you understand like
“cUz WE r ovERraTeD ‘n SucK baLLz!”
Combination of missing elite level talent and depth at all positions, injuries forcing a lot of youth on the field, and most importantly, poor coaching and scheming considering those limitations. That cover enough of it for you? Or do I need to speak in words you understand like
“cUz WE r ovERraTeD ‘n SucK baLLz!”
Posted on 10/4/21 at 11:55 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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Muhammad should be playing over overrated as frick Jalen Preston but doesn't.
Jimbo needs to figure out how to get the skill players like Muhammad involved more ASAP. They shouldn't have to wait years to get real PT.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 11:58 am to bunkerhill
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The state of Texas turns out a lot of talent, from all accounts.
The state of Texas has one national title the last 50 years.
Its the most overrated state for talent in the country.
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