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Posted on 9/28/21 at 9:48 pm to AUCE05
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Also, word around the campfire is Corn told Harsin to frick off.
Most definitely something like this happened.
I envision the discussion of:
1. Harsin criticizes play after watching tape late Saturday
2. Harsin decides he needs to make a change. Tells Corn that he's no longer WR coach for the time being, or to work with another coach, who will be lead.
3. Corn raises the stakes by simply saying frick off or hell no.
4. At that point Harsin has no choice but to fire the guy
Posted on 9/28/21 at 10:08 pm to RoscoeSanCarlos
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Calling all candidates - only men who want bust their arse and achieve success should apply.
You Gen Z & Millennial fans are soft worrying about feelings, safe spaces, and pronouns.
Since we had to hire the receivers coach from Troy, I'm going with not many people out there want to bust there arse at Auburn.
It's called forsight, if your candidate pool for receiver coaches is from the Sunbelt then maybe you aren't all of what you promised. If you remember he said coaches from everywhere was blowing his phone up to come to Auburn. If that is true then why is he taking a chance on a Sunbelt guy?
Posted on 9/28/21 at 10:11 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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They would piss their pants for that call to be asked to join the staff.
If this is true then why did we end up with a guy who only worked at Troy his whole career?
Posted on 9/28/21 at 10:13 pm to MrAUTigers
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The message I think is...........you are making damn good money. Do your job. Make sure your players know their assignments. If you can't do that, you won't be a part of this program. Basically, he is holding people accountable. I have no problem with that.
If that's the truth then he has a lot more people on staff to fire. About the only coaches safe are special teams and running backs.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 10:14 pm to UAH_Tiger2
quote:He's a known recruiter.
If that is true then why is he taking a chance on a Sunbelt guy?
Posted on 9/28/21 at 10:16 pm to TTsTowel
Don't you have a towel to wave.....
Agree
Agree
Posted on 9/29/21 at 1:15 pm to UAH_Tiger2
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Since we had to hire the receivers coach from Troy, I'm going with not many people out there want to bust there arse at Auburn.
He's a State of Alabama guy and we needed a young, black, guy from the state on the staff. There is a reason we gave him a two year contract when most position coaches are on 1 year deals.
Posted on 9/29/21 at 1:19 pm to JamalSanders
quote:According to what I read, all the assistants Harsin hired have 2-year deals, except for Bobo and Mason who got 3 years.
There is a reason we gave him a two year contract when most position coaches are on 1 year deals.
Williams was also our lowest paid assistant.
Posted on 9/29/21 at 1:58 pm to FearlessFreep
I just watched the last drive on SEC Insider and noticed Kiesau was in Harsin’s hip pocket on the sidelines.
Posted on 9/29/21 at 2:00 pm to UAH_Tiger2
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If that is true then why is he taking a chance on a Sunbelt guy?
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If this is true then why did we end up with a guy who only worked at Troy his whole career?
There could be a myriad of reasons why. You think we know very little about recruiting inside info? We know exponentially less about the inner workings of coaching contracts (before being finalized) and hires.
What if there were budget constraints from having to pay the equivalent of a small country GDP to Gus Malzahn?
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Posted on 9/29/21 at 2:16 pm to UAH_Tiger2
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If this is true then why did we end up with a guy who only worked at Troy his whole career?
You said up and coming right? He had some receivers with some decent production at Troy. He was getting a reputation for being a good recruiter. He had connections in Bama and surrounding areas. Harsin needed local recruiting. It's obvious Williams mishandled his role and then some to be fired so quickly. It wasn't merely because he wanted his guy in there.
Up and coming coaches would jump at the chance to come at a program like Auburn. What Harsin did isn't going to jeopardize that with future up and coming coaches.
You have no idea what these coaches go through trying to make their way to a position at a Big 5 school or even to a school like Troy. Not everyone gets lucky like Kodi Burns. These guys are grinding it out in small schools moving every one to two years either because they are upgrading or they aren't cutting it.
An up and comer presented with an opportunity to earn 150-300K and add that to his resume is going to take it. What Harsin did is not going to scare them off at all. It's a harsh industry. We only see the high flying contracts, but that is not at all levels. These coaches are making anywhere from 25-125K starting out depending on where they land.
I know this because my nephew has done it for the last 15 years. He is now at a D1 as an OC in the WAC conference 2 years now. It's a grueling life especially with a family Crisscrossing through the country. He has moved 8 times in that 15 years and his longest stay was three years.
Posted on 9/29/21 at 2:17 pm to Niner
When we were filling out our staff, Kiesau was still in limbo at Boise State because they had not yet made a decision on a HC . He would have very likely been the WR coach from the start, but he's not taking a demotion to position coach before he's certain that he doesn't get retained as the OC at Boise State (I can't entirely remember, but he might have also been one of the more longshot candidates interviewed to outright replace Harsin as the HC). After they hired Avalos and he wasn't retained, he came here in an Analyst role - but by this point we had already hired Cornelius Williams.
Harsin likely took a "shot" at Williams because he does fit several marks that a lot of the rest of his staff don't: he's young, he's from Alabama and has connections in this state, he was seen as an up-and-coming recruiter, probably came with good recommendations from coaching circles in this area, etc. If you remember during the initial press about the staff hiring process, I believe that Williams' interview was deemed as one of the longest (if not the longest) - so I think that he was seen as a "project" from the start. He was likely hired on the basis that he would need to learn and adapt to a more demanding coaching style, and he was likely let go because he wasn't progressing on those fronts.
Harsin likely took a "shot" at Williams because he does fit several marks that a lot of the rest of his staff don't: he's young, he's from Alabama and has connections in this state, he was seen as an up-and-coming recruiter, probably came with good recommendations from coaching circles in this area, etc. If you remember during the initial press about the staff hiring process, I believe that Williams' interview was deemed as one of the longest (if not the longest) - so I think that he was seen as a "project" from the start. He was likely hired on the basis that he would need to learn and adapt to a more demanding coaching style, and he was likely let go because he wasn't progressing on those fronts.
Posted on 9/29/21 at 2:44 pm to AUtigR24
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Also read there were 3 snaps in the ga state game where we had only 10 guys on the field. Almost 4 but a wr ran on late
Was that the play where we were called for an illegal substitution penalty?
Posted on 9/29/21 at 2:54 pm to beatbammer
Yes I believe that is the one
Posted on 9/29/21 at 8:10 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Did anyone else see this - on Instagram the @auburnfootball account posted a graphic about Kiesau and Anthony Schwartz commented “receiver coach not the problem”
I think it could be driven by the fact he’s a Gus guy and he’s just a little salty. Gus was definitely a players coach and his guys seemed to be pissed when he was canned. On the other hand it does make me wonder a little bit.
I think it could be driven by the fact he’s a Gus guy and he’s just a little salty. Gus was definitely a players coach and his guys seemed to be pissed when he was canned. On the other hand it does make me wonder a little bit.
Posted on 9/29/21 at 8:21 pm to kung fu kenny
Schwartz has always been a dramatic little bitch. He doesn’t know the first thing about how a real CFB program is run, he played under Gus.
Posted on 9/29/21 at 8:22 pm to kung fu kenny
Is he calling the WRs dumb then? In this equation, it is either the coach or players responsibility to get on the field.
Posted on 9/29/21 at 8:24 pm to JamalSanders
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He's a State of Alabama guy and we needed a young, black, guy from the state on the staff. There is a reason we gave him a two year contract when most position coaches are on 1 year deals.
Zac Ethridge says hello, what else you got?
Posted on 9/29/21 at 8:24 pm to HarsiningHard
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