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re: New bill to allow athletes to get paid.

Posted on 2/4/21 at 11:48 pm to
Posted by Numberwang
Bike City, USA
Member since Feb 2012
13163 posts
Posted on 2/4/21 at 11:48 pm to
Nobody cares about college sports as much as Boomers. That's because they can remember it when it was pretty much amateur college kids representing their schools and their states. It's something pure and wonderful to their minds.

My generation cares about it much less, and to some degree we care about it as a way of vicariously channeling our parents and grandparents' love of it, or in some cases even remembering it being more wholesome, less commercialized.

Turn it into NFL-lite, then it's just a shitty version of the NFL. I don't understand the rush to do that.

Posted by TrendingRight
Mentone
Member since Jul 2017
620 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 12:11 am to
This will destroy college sports - ALL college sports. Some college athletes will make much more than their professional counterparts. And the real travesty is most college athletes will make zilch. Star QB makes $5 million. Walk on 4th string cornerback makes nada. Bench sitting volley ball players will make nothing. Money will bring crime (both organized and unorganized) into every college sport. But the biggest problem is money will divide the players against each other and "teams" will break into pieces - some STARS making big money and mostly everybody else who is not a star making nothing.

If they allow the players to unionize or negotiate as a group and create a scale of pay they'll have to share the money with every other sport and athlete - and that won't fly with the revenue sports.

You can kiss college football and every other college sport goodbye as soon as the money begins to flow to college athletes.

It's ova.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 12:54 am to
Here's your paycheck, we've made the following deductions (Florida):

Scholarship: 80,000 dollars.
Room & Board (Including food): 40,000+ dollars.
Coaching Fees: Millions.
Free Healthcare: A lot.
Facilities: 26,000 dollars a year.
NFL Pipeline: A lot.
Various Alumni Programs: A lot.
Other various staff, nutritionists and coaches: A lot.

Your total balance is zero, thank you for attending the University of Florida, here are the hundred dollar handshakes that you were getting anyway.

Unpaid =/= Uncompensated.

No high school student in the world gets those kind of benefits to go play a sport that they love, to try and get millions of dollars and still get to keep their job even if they're bad at it, or have a condition that prohibits them from playing.

Spare me this crybaby bullshite.
Posted by RoscoeSanCarlos
Member since Oct 2017
1343 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 3:03 am to
A lot will change once the free tuition, meals, housing, and “personal” trainers becomes taxable income for the athletes. It will be the same as any of us taking advantage of an employer’s tuition assistance program, it suddenly appears on the W2.

Now throw in the NIL income. The players are gonna owe the IRS mucho dinero.
Posted by dirty bastard
Delacroix, Georgia
Member since Aug 2020
2139 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 7:18 am to
They do get paid, with an education among other things. Comes out to be about 350k or more when it's said and done. The thing about it is most of these "student athletes" nowadays don't come for an education, only for the rent and food to be paid till they get drafted, taking BS classes. If they are looking for more compensation, then the fanbases will dwindle.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26993 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 9:49 am to
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Now throw in the NIL income. The players are gonna owe the IRS mucho dinero.



Only the select few who make the big bucks...the Tuas and the Trevors...will owe anything at all. And they'll still pocket a lot. The vast majority of athletes who will make anything off this...the MTSU QB who shows up at the Murfreesboro Nissan dealership on a couple of Saturdays or appears in a couple of ads...will likely make less than $10,000 a year and won't owe the IRS a dime.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 3:47 pm to
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Comes out to be about 350k or more when it's said and done.


It is significantly more money than that.

For one: The University is taking all of the monetary risk on you. One heart condition or injury and now you have a free ride since most Universities honor their scholarship even if you can't play.

For two: How much money do you think it costs someone to have private classes with Dan Mullen to play Quarterback? Or Kirby to teach Safety? For an entire year? We're talking hundreds of thousands if not a million dollars.

Third: Remember that the University provides you a stadium to play in as well, along with all of the facilities they enjoy.

Whether or not they come for the education, it is still something that is being offered and helps propel people in poverty into the middle class at a minimum. An education from Georgia, Vanderbilt, Florida, Alabama -- any SEC school is almost priceless, especially when all you have to do is play a sport with an inside chance to get into the NFL.

People are confusing compensation with pay. They are heavily compensated.
Posted by bigDgator
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2008
41729 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 3:57 pm to
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It is significantly more money than that.




Yep, this is a 10 year old article from Forbes on the value of college football scholarships.

LINK


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SYNOPSIS

Despite recent claims that college football players are "oppressed" and "undervalued" relative to the revenues they generate for their universities, I argue using "cost of attendance" and "projected earnings" data that the average "value" of a college football scholarship is in excess of $2 million for student-athletes who (1) play for one of the pre-season Top 25 schools and (2) would not have pursued a college degree if it weren't for their scholarship.

And for over 99% of Division I FBS college football players on scholarship, this projected value in excess of $2 million is far greater than what any of them INDIVIDUALLY generate in revenue for their school.

Posted by ExpoTiger
Member since Jul 2014
6506 posts
Posted on 2/9/21 at 11:22 am to
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What are you actually talking about? settle down, take a breath and reread my posts.


Lol huh? Be less stupid. That’s all I ask.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
65109 posts
Posted on 2/9/21 at 11:40 am to
It will never happen and really can't for a lot of reasons, but I have always thought how fun it would be fun to watch a scenario like this play out:

College athletics has a draft for every sport structured much like the MLB draft. Each school has a pool of money they can allot to signing bonuses, but that pool has a strict cap, so if you want to throw the bank at one player you may not have enough for the rest of your players. The "league minimum" salary is the cost of admission/living for a college student. However, players drafted will also have slot salaries based on their round and pick in the draft. If a player is drafted by a school and they don't wish to sign, then must sit out one year and then they can walk-on to the school of their choosing the following year but would be solely responsible for all costs of attendance that first year. Let's say the draft would have 20 rounds with 65 picks in each round to accommodate all P5 schools (the P5 and G5 split in my hypo) If you are not drafted at all, you may sign a base contract with any school you choose and are eligible to play immediately.

In this scenario, players wouldn't be required to go to school, but they would be contract employees of the university. If they choose to go to school, then they are solely responsible for paying their own way. If they want to "transfer" or leave for whatever reason, there would be liquidated damages clauses in the contracts that would be the sole responsibility of the player. If players are not enrolled in schools, they may also be traded in this scenario at any time and without warning. If players are full-time students and in good academic standing, they cannot be traded.

I know there are A LOT of loose ends here and this would be impossible to implement, but basically what I'd like to see is a system where athletes get paid but also have skin in the game. They want all the free shite they get now (probably valued in the range of a couple hundred grand a year) plus more money. That's just a non-starter for me dawg. If they want to go out and earn a living by themselves, go for it, I don't think the NCAA should prevent them from doing that, but if they unionize and try to extort money from universities, then they can frick right on off.
This post was edited on 2/9/21 at 11:43 am
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
65109 posts
Posted on 2/9/21 at 11:47 am to
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Comes out to be about 350k or more

way, way more than that. $87,500/year would cover no more than tuition, room and board, and food (maybe not even all of that) a lot of places. Let's just take a standard OOS tuition cost at a school like Alabama. Out of state tuition, alone, is about $30k/year. Add another $15k for rent, $7-10k for food, and you're already close to $60k. Now add on the trainers, medical care, facilities, nutritionists, equipment, clothes, travel expenses, lodging on road games, tutors, etc, and you're probably closer to $200k/year per player at the bigger P5 schools.

That also doesn't even include the difficult to quantify value of the platform they're given at no cost to them.
This post was edited on 2/9/21 at 11:49 am
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70944 posts
Posted on 2/9/21 at 11:52 am to
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College football is in an overall death spiral.


Yes it is, along with the rest of America.



Drama queens unite
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27305 posts
Posted on 2/9/21 at 11:56 am to
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College football is in an overall death spiral.


So THATS the reason the new SEC TV contract went from $50 million to $300 million annually.
Posted by TEOTWAWKI
Member since Jan 2021
294 posts
Posted on 2/9/21 at 12:16 pm to
I have still never seen anyone explain how this works with Title IX

The second this passes ever gender studies major lawyer in the country is going to file a lawsuit because the men's football and basketball players are getting paid more.

Democrats love passing laws that directly contradict to be the most woke in the moment.
Posted by bamameister
Right here, right now
Member since May 2016
14355 posts
Posted on 2/9/21 at 12:25 pm to
I was listening to the 24/7 guy theorize that Miami would be making a comeback as a national power once this image likeness stuff is in place. I'll admit the kids are going to now have more than pocket money, but Miami and their school will not outbid or somehow bribe kids to their University as if they have dollars to spend than any other elite power 5 team doesn't have access to. The NCAA has to rule and will define it soon enough so that the Florida schools don't get that kind of head start. It just pushes this thing to its completion this summer.
Posted by TrendingRight
Mentone
Member since Jul 2017
620 posts
Posted on 2/9/21 at 12:27 pm to
There is no scenario where this is a good idea - NONE. It will destroy teams. One player will make nothing and the player right beside him might make $5 million. It will destroy team chemistry, structure, and turn recruiting into a talent management/agency. Players will go where they can get the most money.Period.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
65109 posts
Posted on 2/9/21 at 12:48 pm to
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I have still never seen anyone explain how this works with Title IX

I think it works with Title IX because it doesn't have anything to do with what the schools are providing in terms of opportunities to men and women equally. It simply allows all players in all sports, regardless of gender, to be able to earn an income in the open market. I don't believe Title IX would even be applicable in this. I'm sure if the NIL based bills have been proposed both in the NCAA and at the federal level in Congress, then there likely aren't Title IX issues they're worried about.
Posted by UKat
Owensboro
Member since Aug 2010
812 posts
Posted on 2/9/21 at 12:50 pm to
They already do.....its called a scholarship, room, food and superior health care. Not a bad deal..
Posted by TEOTWAWKI
Member since Jan 2021
294 posts
Posted on 2/9/21 at 12:57 pm to
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I think it works with Title IX because it doesn't have anything to do with what the schools are providing in terms of opportunities to men and women equally. It simply allows all players in all sports, regardless of gender, to be able to earn an income in the open market.


And making the argument the brand of the school and the school resources provided that opportunity for them to make more money is going to be the easiest and frankly valid argument against that idea.

No one is going to buy the defense that Ohio State and Alabama providing the best facilities in the world for their football team with a 100 year trail of boosters and support does not advantage the football team.

This becomes a shite show immediately
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
65109 posts
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:15 pm to
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And making the argument the brand of the school and the school resources provided that opportunity for them to make more money is going to be the easiest and frankly valid argument against that idea.

No one is going to buy the defense that Ohio State and Alabama providing the best facilities in the world for their football team with a 100 year trail of boosters and support does not advantage the football team.

This becomes a shite show immediately

It may very well become a shite show, but I don't think it will have Title IX issues. Female athletes have the same opportunities within the university structure as men do. Because their sports may not be as popular is kind of irrelevant as it pertains to Title IX. And if the facilities argument had any merit in that regard, there would have already been lawsuits filed over the fact that the women's facilities are not as good as the football team's. Or that the TV deals for football are more lucrative than the women's volleyball team. Or any other advantage the football teams have over other sports, men or women. The main thing Title IX legislates, in college athletics, is requiring an equal opportunity to get an education and receive the same financial assistance, regardless of gender.

With NIL, women will have the same opportunity to earn money off their likeness as football players do. Whether or not they are more marketable on the open market has nothing to do with Title IX. This NIL proposal simply allows athletes to maintain their eligibility while earning an income in the private sector. Title IX is only applicable to entities receiving federal financial assistance.

I think it will end up being a shite show but for completely different reasons
This post was edited on 2/9/21 at 1:19 pm
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