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re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
Posted on 6/21/20 at 11:39 pm to SneakyWaff1es
Posted on 6/21/20 at 11:39 pm to SneakyWaff1es
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I mean all of those doctors, nurses, techs, and every other ancillary staff member in Healthcare have gone through school or training or some sort. Some of it very rigorous and expensive. If you think they deserve less than they make to do it, then I think whatever you do should also be free so you can take a huge pay cut.
None of this seems to be a problem where universal healthcare has been implemented. Also plenty of jobs are paid through taxes nice try though
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Posted on 6/21/20 at 11:41 pm to RedFive
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Money over quality huh?
Not even close to the argument being made
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We have by far the best healthcare in the world
Quality wise yes, but what good is high quality healthcare if you can't afford it?
Posted on 6/22/20 at 3:55 am to dawgfan24348
It’s not mine nor anyone else’s responsibility to pay your hospital bills. I recognized the fact that insurance would be high as hell and made arrangements for myself years ago and you had the same choice. You choose differently. Now go pay for your healthcare and quit trying to pass your bills off on other people.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 4:57 am to dawgfan24348
quote:Those physicians make way less than ours do. Nice try, though.
None of this seems to be a problem where universal healthcare has been implemented
Posted on 6/22/20 at 6:49 am to Whiznot
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22 studies agree: 'Medicare for All' saves money
A lot of those same types of people told taxpayers Obamacare would save $2500 per family. They said it would bend the cost curve. Never happened.
A lot of you "wizards of smart" need to quit trying implement universal care to all 50 states all at once. Will never happen. We won't be fooled.
But if you think it will work why not implement universal care in a state, a state like California. See if it works. See if it actually lowers cost. I would like to see what happens. Actually I know what will happen. Healthcare costs in California will explode.
If you and dawgfan24348 were actually worried about healthcare costs the thing to do would be to GET RID OF OBAMACARE. That would lower costs tremendously.
This post was edited on 6/22/20 at 7:35 am
Posted on 6/22/20 at 7:10 am to frogtown
This ^^^^^^^^^
Posted on 6/22/20 at 7:14 am to dawgfan24348
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None of this seems to be a problem where universal healthcare has been implemented.
That’s not really true. Our quality of healthcare is so high largely because the competency of the people becoming doctors, nurses, etc. is higher than other countries.
Basic economics says that if you decrease the incentive to be a doctor, the quality of candidate entering med school will also decline.
ETA: a very likely consequence of universal healthcare is that your best and most experienced specialists move to an all-cash model outside of the insurance system in order to maintain their own lifestyles. Younger doctors won’t have that option very often, so we will struggle to backfill with similarly gifted new candidates.
This post was edited on 6/22/20 at 7:19 am
Posted on 6/22/20 at 7:19 am to Crowknowsbest
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Basic economics says that if you decrease the incentive to be a doctor, the quality of candidate entering med school will also decline.
Ding ding ding! We have a winner.
This is absolutely the correct answer. You think people are going to do 8 years of med school and 4 years of residency if a high salary isn't the reward for all of that work?
Posted on 6/22/20 at 7:35 am to VADawg
The vast majority of medical break throughs in the world happen in the US where there is still a reason to research. Go look at cancer survival rates between the US and countries like France, Great Britain and Canada you may be shocked. I don't want to compare the system we have now to single payer because what we have is broken, it was designed by Democrats to be broken so they could ram single payer down our throats. Every bit of Obama era regulation needs to be stripped, open up the ability to buy insurance across state lines, and have up front pricing in hospitals made them compete for your money. You'll see cost drop.
This post was edited on 6/22/20 at 7:36 am
Posted on 6/22/20 at 7:52 am to bigdawg7780
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open up the ability to buy insurance across state lines,
That doesnt solve anything. It doesnt hurt (other than muddying state bureaucracies).
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and have up front pricing in hospitals
This is one of the biggest problems with healthcare. Price discrimination based upon the insurance plan (or lack thereof). It boggles my mind how so many regulated industries have price controls but hospitals will overcharge 1 plan so they can under charge 2 others.
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made them compete for your money
That is one important part of a free economic system that is lacking today.
There are problems unique to healthcare which make the entire system a challenge (pricing experience and prior success into the system which is highly regulated).
Posted on 6/22/20 at 12:47 pm to RedFive
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quit trying to pass your bills off on other people.
That's such an asinine and childish take. The entire idea of universal healthcare is oso people don't go broke paying for an ER visit. Instead you want to deflect that and just label anyone in favor of M4A as lazy or cheap.
But I guess it must be nice to not have to ever worry about medical bills. I mean I could bitch at you for making us pay your bills but then I'd be a hypocrite
Posted on 6/22/20 at 1:12 pm to dawgfan24348
It brings me joy to know you pay my medical bills and have no choice. Instead of worrying about the droves of drug addicts and dead beats who drain our medical system you zero in on someone who worked for the benefit.
Be sure to hydrate while you cry so you don’t get lightheaded and run up a medical bill I don’t have to help you pay.
Be sure to hydrate while you cry so you don’t get lightheaded and run up a medical bill I don’t have to help you pay.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 1:16 pm to dawgfan24348
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The entire idea of universal healthcare is oso people don't go broke paying for an ER visit.
What is wrong with Medicaid?
I'm not sure what you are hoping to accomplish that Medicaid doesnt do right now (if you are a communist or socialist... I know what your intentions are. But you haven't come out of that closet)
This post was edited on 6/22/20 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 6/22/20 at 1:17 pm to bigdawg7780
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up front pricing in hospitals made them compete for your money. You'll see cost drop.
Only if HSA's become the norm, the law. As long as someone else is paying for it, people don't GAF about the cost.
Universal HSA's
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Transparent pricing across all levels of healthcare
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Lower cost through competition, ending defensive medicine and BS treatments, more consideration of what is necessary vs precautionary vs total BS, and ownership of your own care.
Poor and destitute groups can keep medicare and medicaid. The VA can keep the VA.
Everyone else goes to a mandated HSA plan.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 1:30 pm to meansonny
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if you are a communist or socialist... I know what your intentions are. But you haven't come out of that closet
He has admitted on other boards to being a Bernie bro. That should tell you everything you need to know.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 1:33 pm to deeprig9
When I use it I get great healthcare at the VA. I honestly am very happy with the healthcare I get there.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 2:34 pm to VADawg
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He has admitted on other boards to being a Bernie bro. That should tell you everything you need to know.
That I am neither of the two. But of course anyone to the left of you is just a dirty socialist or commie like all those socialist countries like Australia, England, and Denmark
Posted on 6/22/20 at 2:35 pm to RedFive
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It brings me joy to know you pay my medical bills and have no choice. Instead of worrying about the droves of drug addicts and dead beats who drain our medical system you zero in on someone who worked for the benefit.
You couldn't have missed the point more if you tried.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 2:35 pm to RedFive
The issue with saying Universal Health Care is a basic right. In order to guarantee Health Care you have to have doctors and medical professionals. Currently doctors go to school for about 8 years - Post High school to earn enough of an education to perform as a doctor - Nurses 4-6 years and the govt then comes in and now says - you now work for us.
Universal Healthcare now says those doctors can no longer set their own rates based on supply/demand/technology advances. So now the govt is there to determine rates. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the issue with that but I digress.
Essentially Doctors - One of the more esteemed professions essentially become slaves to the state. So what will happen to the medical professionals - Some will move on, some will retire, some will stay and accept the universal across the board pay cuts and technology advances will essentially no longer be a thing because cutting edge technology requires money - money in which these practices will no longer have to try out new machines in their practices.
What you then get is - Waterdown health care, Rationing system on costly medications - It already happens in our socialist nations all around us with their glorious Universal Health Care systems. You add in govt oversite and incompetence into an already annoying doctor/patient situation that just labors things with more paperwork and then you start to look at disatrous wait times. People avoiding going to a doctor because of those times and essentially a shite system designed to fail so the govt can own a good 1/6 of the economy and no incentive to do better.
Healthcare is not a guaranteed right when you are born. You pathetic loons just happen to live in a country that is so well off because of capitalism that we do a pretty good job of guaranteeing almost all Americans can get healthcare when needed thanks to our taxpayers and good old American dollar - Specifically our children. There are a lot of countries in the world where that kind of care is a pipe dream. Consider yourself blessed you ungrateful mongoloids.
Universal Healthcare now says those doctors can no longer set their own rates based on supply/demand/technology advances. So now the govt is there to determine rates. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the issue with that but I digress.
Essentially Doctors - One of the more esteemed professions essentially become slaves to the state. So what will happen to the medical professionals - Some will move on, some will retire, some will stay and accept the universal across the board pay cuts and technology advances will essentially no longer be a thing because cutting edge technology requires money - money in which these practices will no longer have to try out new machines in their practices.
What you then get is - Waterdown health care, Rationing system on costly medications - It already happens in our socialist nations all around us with their glorious Universal Health Care systems. You add in govt oversite and incompetence into an already annoying doctor/patient situation that just labors things with more paperwork and then you start to look at disatrous wait times. People avoiding going to a doctor because of those times and essentially a shite system designed to fail so the govt can own a good 1/6 of the economy and no incentive to do better.
Healthcare is not a guaranteed right when you are born. You pathetic loons just happen to live in a country that is so well off because of capitalism that we do a pretty good job of guaranteeing almost all Americans can get healthcare when needed thanks to our taxpayers and good old American dollar - Specifically our children. There are a lot of countries in the world where that kind of care is a pipe dream. Consider yourself blessed you ungrateful mongoloids.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 2:35 pm to dawgfan24348
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That I am neither of the two. But of course anyone to the left of you is just a dirty socialist or commie like all those socialist countries like Australia, England, and Denmark
Advocating for socialized medicine kinda sorta makes you a socialist.
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