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re: Protests blowing up in Downtown Birmingham
Posted on 6/8/20 at 9:18 am to RollTide4Ever
Posted on 6/8/20 at 9:18 am to RollTide4Ever
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Folks need to ask themselves what is the cause of most crimes: Typically it's two main sources----boys raised in single parent homes (where mom was a teen her self when she have birth typically) and prohibitions of victimless activities.
Do you have anything that backs this up? Because in everything I've ever read on the subject the primary driver of crime is poverty.
But I also think those statistics are a bit skewed because they're based on arrest and conviction records, and poverty-stricken areas are policed more heavily.
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Posted on 6/8/20 at 9:22 am to The Spleen
Single family and poverty probably go together. And why wouldnt you more heavily police the areas where most of the crime occurs.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 9:23 am to BLG
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I don't know about Hoover Alabama but in the news coverage I have seen of events across the nation the actual protestors are mostly justified blacks, and those destroying and burning property are more often white. I suspect Antifa is a huge segment of those losers, and it undermines the legitimate protests.
Unfortunately, that's not always the case. The rioting and looting in Birmingham was exclusively blacks.
I agree that the white people at these things are almost 100% there to create problems. That doesn't mean none of the black people are creating problems.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 9:24 am to The Spleen
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Do you have anything that backs this up? Because in everything I've ever read on the subject the primary driver of crime is poverty.
Everything backs that up. Use your brain for once.
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But I also think those statistics are a bit skewed because they're based on arrest and conviction records, and poverty-stricken areas are policed more heavily.
This is a bad take.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 9:28 am to IB4bama
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And why wouldnt you more heavily police the areas where most of the crime occurs.
You generally would, but my point was police departments use those crime statistics to justify policing those areas more heavily. Is more crime happening in those areas? Absolutely. Would crime statistics in suburban and wealthy areas increase if they were policed more heavily? POssibly, especially if we threw in white collar crime into that mix.
I guess I go back to the multiple studies done that show drug use across all races and socioeconomic classes is about the same, yet drug related arrests skew heavily towards poor and black areas. And those statistics are used to justify the heavier police presence.
This post was edited on 6/8/20 at 9:29 am
Posted on 6/8/20 at 9:32 am to imjustafatkid
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The rioting and looting in Birmingham was exclusively blacks.
I haven't seen any news footage of Birmingham, but to be specific, I did not mention looting. I was talking about destruction and burning of private property. Yes, looting does often happen after a window front has been busted out or access otherwise into the business, and sometimes it's the looters that break in, but burning and destruction just for the sake of destruction, more often I see white thugs, on news footage. Looks just like Antifa to me, taking advantage of the cover of the legitimate protests.
oops. Was doing paperwork and entirely missed some of your post. "I agree that the white people at these things are almost 100% there to create problems"
sorry about that
I do, though, think a lot of white folks are there in legitimate protest, but many (more?) are troublemakers instigating police and creating chaos. Some that just want the attention and some anarchists that truly want to burn it all down.
This post was edited on 6/8/20 at 9:40 am
Posted on 6/8/20 at 9:33 am to The Spleen
quote:Poverty is definitely one of the two leading causes for crime.
Because in everything I've ever read on the subject the primary driver of crime is poverty.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 9:37 am to imjustafatkid
quote:You talking about the protests or riots? Saying that almost 100% of white people at these protests are there to create problems is laughably false.
I agree that the white people at these things are almost 100% there to create problems.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 9:42 am to pvilleguru
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You talking about the protests or riots? Saying that almost 100% of white people at these protests are there to create problems is laughably false.
It's observably true. I haven't seen a single white protestor bring anything meaningful to this in any way.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 9:43 am to RollTide4Ever
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boys raised in single parent homes
True. 100% spot on.
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The police resources are misallocated towards revenue raising activities while essential items go neglected: solving murder cases, rape test kits, etc.
Outside of a few notorious trap spots which are usually very small towns this is untrue. Take Montgomery for example. In 2018, revenue collected from all fines and forfeitures was 3 million. That is all fines, which includes non-traffic criminal offenses of all levels and non LE generated fines like late parking tickets. The police department budget was $48 million. The idea that LE is any kind of positive revenue stream is a fantasy.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 9:43 am to BLG
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I haven't seen any news footage of Birmingham, but to be specific, I did not mention looting. I was talking about destruction and burning of private property. Yes, looting does often happen after a window front has been busted out or access otherwise into the business, and sometimes it's the looters that break in, but burning and destruction just for the sake of destruction, more often I see white thugs, on news footage. Looks just like Antifa to me, taking advantage of the cover of the legitimate protests.
This is mostly true. If you're able to find the livestreams from Birmingham though, it was exclusively black people.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 9:43 am to pvilleguru
the last few days I see more white folks that appear to be in support of the justified protests. The first few nights of chaos and destruction, most of the white folks appeared just to be causing trouble.
There is a distinct and clear difference, imo, between protest and chaos.
There is a distinct and clear difference, imo, between protest and chaos.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 9:46 am to imjustafatkid
quote:What do you consider to be "meaningful"?
I haven't seen a single white protestor bring anything meaningful to this in any way.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 9:46 am to JustGetItRight
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That is all fines, which includes non-traffic criminal offenses of all levels and non LE generated fines like late parking tickets.
"Fines" at the balance sheet level typically also includes late fees for business licenses and other penalties of that nature. I haven't seen Montgomery's financials and have no interest in digging through them, but I'd bet that is true for them as it is for almost every city in Alabama that I audit.
It's also worth noting that some fines revenue is simply a pass through that is immediately remitted to the state and other entities.
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The idea that LE is any kind of positive revenue stream is a fantasy.
This is absolutely true.
This post was edited on 6/8/20 at 9:48 am
Posted on 6/8/20 at 9:47 am to BLG
quote:And that's not even true.
The first few nights of chaos and destruction, most of the white folks appeared just to be causing trouble.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 9:48 am to The Spleen
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You generally would, but my point was police departments use those crime statistics to justify policing those areas more heavily. Is more crime happening in those areas? Absolutely. Would crime statistics in suburban and wealthy areas increase if they were policed more heavily? POssibly, especially if we threw in white collar crime into that mix.
Probably not that much. Property crime in those areas is extremely low, as is non-domestic violent crime. You'll have the occasional klepto case who constantly shoplifts, but thefts and burglaries are extremely rare in wealthier areas. You'd see an increase in DUIs and maybe some more teenagers arrested for marijuana possession, but that's about it. Rich people don't buy their drugs from some dude chilling on a cul-de-sac in their subdivision, and the cops aren't well equipped to intervene in private transactions.
This post was edited on 6/8/20 at 9:49 am
Posted on 6/8/20 at 9:49 am to pvilleguru
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And that's not even true.
Don't believe your lying eyes guys! Believe pville! You know, the guy who said wearing a helmet and green uniform means police are in "tactical gear!" He knows what he's talking about and absolutely has some shred of credibility left. Just ask him.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 9:51 am to pvilleguru
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The first few nights of chaos and destruction, most of the white folks appeared just to be causing trouble.
And that's not even true.
it's absolutely true. I don't have time to do it right now but I could provide for you plenty of video evidence of it. Talking about the first few nights of riots in the major cities, New York, Los Angeles, and Minneapolis getting the most coverage.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 9:52 am to Robot Santa
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cops aren't well equipped to intervene in private transactions
Mostly because intervening in these types of transactions takes expensive undercover work that simply doesn't return the kind of convictions that would justify such expenditures.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 9:53 am to imjustafatkid
quote:I don't believe I've ever used the words "tactical gear" in my life.
"tactical gear!"
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