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re: I know it's not realistic, but what are y'all's thoughts on the Big 12?
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:23 pm to Porky
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:23 pm to Porky
quote:LSU was not known as the power that they are today before Saban. They were a good, but not great, football school. OP was trying to insinuate that LSU made Nick Saban when it is 110% the opposite way around.
That was the 90's. They have had their problems with terrible hires as well.
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Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:31 pm to HogFanfromHTown
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LSU was not known as the power that they are today before Saban. They were a good, but not great, football school. OP was trying to insinuate that LSU made Nick Saban when it is 110% the opposite way around.
He definitely took them to a new level like never before.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:31 pm to HogFanfromHTown
No, I wasn’t insinuating that at all. But Saban was able to take advantage of the talent pool in Louisiana.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:40 pm to Porcine Human
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No, I wasn’t insinuating that at all. But Saban was able to take advantage of the talent pool in Louisiana.
This is true for only one part of the equation when it comes to Saban's success. He understands the metaphor of a chain being only as strong as its weakest link, if that makes any sense. He also knew the importance of having competent coaching at every level and position. Any team has to have that before it can compete at a high level in the SEC.
For example, it is highly unlikely that a team can have success with their offensive line if a recent GA is doing the recruiting and coaching. That might work on the FCS level but not in the SEC.
This post was edited on 10/22/19 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:43 pm to Stonehog
No. Arkansas has no business going back to the Texas league. The big problem with Arkansas athletics is a lack of leadership. Since Frank got too old for the job Arkansas has steadily gone down hill. The only exception being Petrino's short stint and one or two of Nutts seasons. Being in the SEC we have the money to get it turned around. We just need an AD who knows how to hire coaches. Is Youachick such an AD? I don't know. He has got to pull the plug on Chad and give us a Petrino type of hire. People are clueless about how important coaches are. It amazes me that all of these succesful and rich people connected to the program still haven't figured out that you just can't plug and play just any old coach. COACHING MATTERS MORE THAN RECRUITING. Its simple. Get a man who is great with quarterbacks and has an eye for under-recruited talent. Again like Petrino. He's out there. Norvell would do ok here. Maybe not great but he'd be a big improvement over Chad. I believe Bobby would do really good here on his second stint. And Matt Campbell would have some success here too. No doubt we are going to have to crawl before we walk. But its doable. Going to the Big 12 would be akin to throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Just a bad move. Stay where you have the money to fix your situation. Moving to the Big 12 would make us as irrelevant as Kansas, permanently.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:48 pm to SpauldingHog
Good post. You have to have a coach who can hire and manage top notch assistants.
This post was edited on 10/22/19 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 10/22/19 at 3:38 pm to Stonehog
quote:I doubt it. We would lose our biggest recruiting chip in recruiting kids to the best conference in football. Kids in Texas would just go to A&M to play in the SEC or Texas and Oklahoma to play in the Big 12. We would get the last pick of the litter every year without fail.
It would be exciting and help with Texas recruiting.
This post was edited on 10/22/19 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 10/22/19 at 4:23 pm to Drewbie
We already get the last pick of the litter out of those schools
Posted on 10/22/19 at 4:29 pm to Porcine Human
quote:And the only recruiting advantage we have over Texas and OU is the allure of the SEC. Jump to the Big 12 and even that's gone and recruiting gets even worse. Hell we'd probably even fall under Texas schools like Baylor and Houston at this point. Our attachement to the SEC is the only thing that has kept our recruiting even remotely acceptable on a national scale during this period. It sure as hell hasn't been success or coaching pedigree.
We already get the last pick of the litter out of those schools
This post was edited on 10/22/19 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 10/22/19 at 4:44 pm to HogFanfromHTown
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I'm sorry. Going to the Big 12 is just a weak move. We proved with both Petrino and Nutt we can compete with the right coach. Also we'd lose to Kansas this year. Conference is not the problem. The coach is.
This. Leaving the conference is a loser-mentality move, our resources and the conference haven't been the problem for us.
Who knows how we'd be affected negatively by not being in the SEC, recruiting would become tougher. We've gained more from being in the SEC than we've lost. There's 5 teams that make up the upper-echelon of this football conference right now, all five have had their share of bad stretches somewhat recently.
I'd argue that the SEC, as competitive as it is, has given us more opportunity to succeed than the Big 12 ever would. It's on the school, program, and admin to reach that success; THAT'S where we've been lacking.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 4:51 pm to RazorBroncs
quote:It's leadership. Plain and simple. The people making the decisions are morons and this is what happens when morons are in power. You get terrible coaching hires, no accountability for said coaching hires, and prolonged ineptitude because of it. It starts at the top. First order of business is find people who can actually evaluate coaches beyond looking at what state they're from and who their friends are and go from there.
our resources and the conference haven't been the problem for us.
I am interested in what a coaching search run by HY looks like. As far as I'm concerned, he did a fine job with Muss and took one of the better options available while also not throwing a shite ton of money out the window for no reason like we did by giving Chad such a ridiculous buyout. The gymnastics hire made national news it was such a splash. Obviously these hires still have to prove themselves, but basketball recruiting is already better than it has been in a decade. He's done well in my eyes so far. I just hope he's allowed to do what he needs to do for football like he was basketball and gymnastics without other people trying to stick their noses in. I think one of Arkansas' main problem with decision making within the football program specifically is that there are just too many cooks in the kitchen and it's WAY too political. As long as there are "sides" at the top, we'll be fighting ourselves while the football program suffers.
This post was edited on 10/22/19 at 6:15 pm
Posted on 10/22/19 at 5:26 pm to Porcine Human
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A competitive program would win their conference at least once in 30 years, no?
Should. We've played in 3 championship games. The 3 teams we played finished #2, #3, & #1 respectively. We've been competitive.
This post was edited on 10/22/19 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 10/22/19 at 5:35 pm to Drewbie
With the right leadership Arkansas could rule the college football world. What Saban did for Bama could be done for Arkansas. In fact, LSU was able to have continued success bc they went from Saban to Les. It was starting to look like Ed O was going to take LSU right back to mediocrity. But he made a great hire and recruited a great QB and look at them now. Like I said people underestimate coaching. Drew is right, along with a few others here. A coach who can get a really good mix of assistants between recruiters and quality coaches and has an eye for replacements would build an empire here. Regardless of what people think we really aren't that far away (potentially) from the Auburn's, Alabama's and LSU's of the world. And we have got to stop changing style of play every time we change coaches. The contant rebuilding coupled with non stop coaching changes has taken us down to Vandy's level.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 8:15 pm to HogFanfromHTown
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Look at LSU before Saban. Perennial Mediocrity. They had two 10 win seasons from 1970 to 2000.
People forget that. Also, look at the Gators pre Spurrier, UGA checked out for a while pre Richt, and Tennessee has been awful for over a decade now. We are just one great hire from climbing out of the grave.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 8:22 pm to Porcine Human
Mods, please shite can this thread... TIA
Obvious Tardville defector.
Obvious Tardville defector.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 8:46 pm to ArHog
I’d rather have the sec jump to 18 with Texas, texastech,OU and OK state
Posted on 10/22/19 at 9:06 pm to jb4
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I’d rather have the sec jump to 18 with Texas, texastech,OU and OK state
Let's not get carried away now... Big 12 only has 10 teams as it is.
And the horns should never be considered for the SEC.
Ever.
This post was edited on 10/22/19 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 10/22/19 at 9:19 pm to Drewbie
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I doubt it. We would lose our biggest recruiting chip in recruiting kids to the best conference in football.
We already lost that when A&M joined.
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Kids in Texas would just go to A&M to play in the SEC or Texas and Oklahoma to play in the Big 12.
We aren't competing with those schools for recruits anyway. Texas kids that don't care about the SEC would have a new option close to home.
This post was edited on 10/22/19 at 9:21 pm
Posted on 10/22/19 at 9:20 pm to ArHog
It’s okay ArHog, a little critical thinking would do you good.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 9:24 pm to Porcine Human
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Sure but I'm thinking long term.
You’re thinking long term.... about moving to a conference that doesn’t share equally, is essentially owned and operated by the Texass Longhorns, and was all but dead not more than a few years ago?
No doubt it sucks trying to compete within a division that includes Alabama, LSU, Auburn, and aTm, and a conference that includes Georgia, Florida and Tennessee (when they aren’t arse) but anyone giving this serious thought doesn’t remember the days of blatantly getting fricked by Texass and anyone else in the conference when it was good for Texass and bad for Arkansas.
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