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re: Will Muschamp was head coach in waiting at Texas. Would he have done well as UT HC?

Posted on 8/16/19 at 9:38 pm to
Posted by Korin
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Posted on 8/16/19 at 9:38 pm to
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He isn't a good coach at all.

You don't think he's done a good job at USC?
Posted by Hook Em Horns
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Posted on 8/17/19 at 6:55 am to
Wow. Which one of you aggy figs made this alter? 3 posts and calling him randy???? Cmon bruh.
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 8/17/19 at 8:12 am to
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He is also a very solid judge of talent.



Lamar Jackson was all Gator and Boom refused to offer him to play QB.

Johnny Football was all Horn, but Muschamp wanted him as safety.

Two of the biggest misjudgements of talent in CFB history are on him.
Posted by SpringBokCock
Columbia, SC
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 8/17/19 at 8:41 am to
No doubt Boom’s biggest shortcoming was offense, particularly identifying and developing quarterbacks. With Bentley in his last year and with Hilinski and Doty coming in, he’s clearly turned that around. Add in coaching upgrades at qb and offensive line which are paying off, and you have hard proof of Boom’s maturity and growth.

He still has to prove he can beat Georgia, Clemson and other top tier teams (plus Kentucky!). The signs are there if he can continue to build depth, avoid widespread injuries and pull out some upsets with this year’s schedule.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 8/17/19 at 9:21 am to
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Lamar Jackson was all Gator and Boom refused to offer him to play QB.

Johnny Football was all Horn, but Muschamp wanted him as safety.

Two of the biggest misjudgements of talent in CFB history are on him.

LULZ ... holy crap some of you Gator fans are suffering from full blown MDS. It’s almost pathological among some of you Gators. Your MDS has gone from the ridiculous to the sublime. Some of the bravo sierra y’all dream up to try to support your hatred of Boom is worthy of a case study in collective psychological malfunction and derangement.

mUSChamp killed Kennedy too I bet huh? And he sabotaged the Titanic amirite?

LULZ y’all crack me up sometimes. Thanks for the belly laugh.



So let me ask you. Of the seventeen draft picks y’all had, the seventeen mUSChamp recruited and signed, which ones does Boom get credit for in the eyes of you Gators? There were how many 1st Rounders in those seventeen? What, six? Seven?

The year McElwain won The East .... how many of those starters and contributors does mUSChamp receive credit for signing?
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 8/17/19 at 9:31 am to
GetCocky11 .... here’s proof of the contention you made in your OP, straight from Wiki with citations. All information is taken directly from newspaper articles.


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Prior to this announcement, Muschamp had been mentioned in association with head coaching job openings at Clemson, Tennessee, Washington, and Auburn.[6] He had been planning an off-week interview with Clemson[23] but as a result of this deal decided instead to wait his turn at Texas, saying, "This is a special place. I think it is 'the' elite job in the country."[6] Austin American-Statesman columnist Kirk Bohls predicted this would be good for the program: "Muschamp's ascension conveys to fans and recruits that Texas values what it has now as one of the elite programs in the country and wants to maintain. This smart, bold move should bring coaching stability, sustained recruiting and possibly expanded recruiting into the Southeast and a continued framework for success."[24]
Posted by FluffyBunnyFeet
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 8/17/19 at 9:41 am to
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253 posts, Joined in 2014.

Seems legit.
I don't usually post here unless the topic is Texas, but let me guess, I'm "Randy" right?
Posted by cyclingout
God's country, SC
Member since Apr 2019
2238 posts
Posted on 8/17/19 at 9:53 am to
Yeah I remember when people thought he was gonna be a really good head coach. He had a lot of ppl fooled there for a while. I'd say he's at a school now that matches what he is as a head coach
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
5896 posts
Posted on 8/17/19 at 9:53 am to
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still am amazed that he got the South Carolina job, 


Tanner whiffed on options A (Herman), and B (Smart), and didn't have the stones to pull the trigger on Lincoln Riley. Only other major candidate was Willie Taggart, and even though he's repairing a broken FSU program, I don't think he'd be a good fit here.

Tanner needed to feel comfy with the coach's ties to the SEC, and muschamp checked the boxes. Tanner settled for who would take the job. Tennessee did the same thing, albeit significantly worse, when they had their abortion of a search two years later.
Posted by cyclingout
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Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 8/17/19 at 10:03 am to
You think Pruitt is worse than Muschamp? I think you have that backwards
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
5896 posts
Posted on 8/17/19 at 10:25 am to
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You think Pruitt is worse than Muschamp? I think you have that backwards


Pruitt's coaching ability notwithstanding, he was hired through an absolute shitshow of a coaching search that involved a botched hiring of Schiano, a fired AD mid-search, and got Dave Doeren(??!?),among others, an undeserved raise. By every available metric, UTk's coaching search was worse than USC's, and Pruitt was far lower down the list of candidates for that gig than Muschamp was for USC's. I don't think either coach is going to be successful at their respective jobs.

You've proven you know dick all about your own program's coaching searches, so great job on being ignorant regarding everyone else's.

Posted by Groundscrew85
Member since Oct 2018
685 posts
Posted on 8/17/19 at 10:30 am to
The dude doesn’t fail have you seen his wife.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/17/19 at 10:31 am to
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Yeah I remember when people thought he was gonna be a really good head coach


Then I'm not sure why you laughed when I said he could have easily taken a HC job at Clemson, Auburn, or Tennessee in 2008. All 3 programs weren't that great at the time.
This post was edited on 8/17/19 at 10:33 am
Posted by XWing atAliciousness
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 8/17/19 at 11:14 am to
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Would you rather have had Mack Brown from 2010-2013 or Will Muschamp?



Muschamp 100%. But that's not to say that Texas would've been any type of championship contender, or really that much better from their mediocre results they had those seasons. He would've inherited an unmitigated mess, especially on offense.

Had Texas finished undefeated by winning the last game in 2009, that would probably be considered the worst offensive line to ever win a national championship in college football
Posted by arcalades
USA
Member since Feb 2014
19276 posts
Posted on 8/17/19 at 11:32 am to
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with a 51-26 record,
not very good
quote:

3-2 in bowl games
lol you think exhibition games matter
Posted by plazadweller
South Georgia
Member since Jul 2011
11458 posts
Posted on 8/17/19 at 11:48 am to
No not at all
Posted by Fairbanks
Member since Aug 2019
80 posts
Posted on 8/17/19 at 11:50 am to
Taggart repairing a broken FSU program? Lol. Fisher had great recruiting classes there. Taggart is doing badly at FSU because he's a terrible coach. This will probably be his last year there.

Anyway, my understanding is that Muschamp got the USCe job because Spurrier left behind such a dumpfire and nobody else wanted the job. It's actually pretty good that he's been able to lead the Cocks to bowl games.
Posted by Che Boludo
Member since May 2009
18223 posts
Posted on 8/17/19 at 12:07 pm to
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Would’ve failed there just like Florida

Not sure. I think Texas has the culture to play Boom's style of tough, physical D and ball control power football. Spurrier and the Fun 'n Gun and Urban and his speed kills spread made that transition unlikely to be accepted at UF. Plus, it's a conference full of tough defenses.

In the Big 12, it would have been the anomaly. Their teams aren't used to getting punched in the mouth on both sides of the ball over 4 qtrs. I think he could have been more successful at UTx than UF.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 8/17/19 at 1:07 pm to
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Tanner whiffed on options A (Herman), and B (Smart), and didn't have the stones to pull the trigger on Lincoln Riley. Only other major candidate was Willie Taggart, and even though he's repairing a broken FSU program, I don't think he'd be a good fit here.

That’s sorta a strange way of putting things.

Herman was a done deal if we were willing to give him an out clause, without a buyout, if Texas came calling. The proverbial straw happened when we lost to The Citadel and Herman called Tanner and said he was no longer interested, immediately after the game. I know that for a fact.

Smart wanted the UGA job and we had no chance at him unless we had gone after him at the end of 2013, which we didn’t.

Lincoln Riley was basically the coach in waiting at Oklahoma. There was no chance there. Stoops let it be known that he was close to retiring and rumor has it that he had even flown to Columbia to speak with Spurrier a year prior about them both getting near the end of their coaching careers.

Willie Taggart got an interview strictly as part of an EO initiative. He wasn’t qualified and he would have been a terrible fit. Word is he also did not interview well. We dodged a bullet there.
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Tanner needed to feel comfy with the coach's ties to the SEC, and muschamp checked the boxes. Tanner settled for who would take the job. Tennessee did the same thing, albeit significantly worse, when they had their abortion of a search two years later.

Tanner didn’t settle for anything. I agree, at the time, I thought it was a bad hire but Tanner didn’t settle .... and everyone knows I am no fan of Ray’s as an AD. But Ray met with mUSChamp and he genuinely liked him. People forget that SPURrier and Tanner had reached out to Boom for the DC job when he was fired at Florida. mUSChamp had taken his family and gone to the islands and he had received over a dozen calls from coaches all over the country wanting him as a DC. In the end he chose Auburn because of ties there and that soured him, in the eyes of a lot of us.

Fast forward a year and Elliott finishes the season in a shite show, Herman bails after the Citadel loss, Smart is already doing a deal with UGA, and HR is telling Tanner he has to interview Taggart who had reached out for an interview. Riley got his salary doubled to stay with Oklahoma until Stoops retired.

There were two other candidates that were going to be interviewed but Tanner decided to talk to mUSChamp one more time. He made the call and they decided to meet face to face. The rest is history but one of the things Tanner said to some people was that he connected with mUSChamp in terms of drive and competitiveness and he appreciated that out of mUSChamp.

Also, the deciding factor was, of course, that you can’t spell mUSChamp without USChamp.

:wink:
Posted by Korin
Member since Jan 2014
37935 posts
Posted on 8/17/19 at 1:12 pm to
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I know that for a fact.

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