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re: Ok, i've got a question for you "open carry" guys.
Posted on 5/21/19 at 6:36 pm to Diver Diva
Posted on 5/21/19 at 6:36 pm to Diver Diva
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I wouldn't open carry even if it was legal here. I carry a Glock 19 in my holster purse.
Conceal carry has a propriety and decorum to it. It's dignified.
People who conceal carry don't appear to be making some sort of statement and they're not trying to send a message about themselves.
This post was edited on 5/21/19 at 6:37 pm
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Posted on 5/21/19 at 7:07 pm to Pandy Fackler
I suspect that your idea of your "predominantly white middle class/upper middle class" is somewhat different from what most of the country thinks. "I wasn't asking the open carry question as it relates to 'the majority of america'.".....well then were you only interested in your little corner of the world?
Posted on 5/21/19 at 7:10 pm to coachcrisp
Open carry in all corners of the world is just brazen bullshite. In the “not so great” areas most should probably just assume others are indeed carrying. Particularly if there are a lot of gangs. They don’t have to show their weapons. Everyone knows they have them.
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 7:37 am
Posted on 5/21/19 at 7:20 pm to Pandy Fackler
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Conceal carry has a propriety and decorum to it. It's dignified. People who conceal carry don't appear to be making some sort of statement and they're not trying to send a message about themselves.
It has nothing to do with decorum. If I'm open carrying and a bad guy pulls out a gun, guess who is the first one he shoots at.
Posted on 5/21/19 at 8:07 pm to coachcrisp
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I wasn't asking the open carry question as it relates to 'the majority of america'.".....well then were you only interested in your little corner of the world?
Yes.
"My little corner of the world" and the vast majority of safe suburbs around the country where you see suburban men who have absolutely nothing to fear or be concerned a out, openly carrying a loaded pistol. It's a bizarre thing.
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suspect that your idea of your "predominantly white middle class/upper middle class" is somewhat different from what most of the country thinks.
No it's not.
Posted on 5/21/19 at 9:39 pm to Pandy Fackler
It's more comfortable. Better choice of rigs.
Posted on 5/21/19 at 9:48 pm to Pandy Fackler
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If you're openly carrying a loaded pistol in safe public places then you're afraid of something.
Wouldn't this also hold true for a loaded concealed carry?
Posted on 5/21/19 at 11:49 pm to Diver Diva
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It has nothing to do with decorum. If I'm open carrying and a bad guy pulls out a gun, guess who is the first one he shoots at.
This.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 9:01 am to Diver Diva
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It has nothing to do with decorum. If I'm open carrying and a bad guy pulls out a gun, guess who is the first one he shoots at.
Do you spend your day to day life in a place where there's a reasonable possibility a "bad guy" will pull a gun on you? Or do you spend most of your life in middle class/upper middle class suburbs, where there's practically no risk at all?
There are people for instance who work in new orleans but live in the suburbs. When going to work they conceal carry a pistol but at home in the burbs, they don't carry a gun.
Do you carry a gun no matter what and where?
Posted on 5/22/19 at 9:11 am to 1BIGTigerFan
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If you're openly carrying a loaded pistol in safe public places then you're afraid of something.
Wouldn't this also hold true for a loaded concealed carry?
Yes.
The reasons however for conceal carry are clearer than open carry. There may be a practical reason for doing it. Reasons that make sense.
Also, people who conceal carry aren't trying to be noticed, say something about themselves or wear their social/political agendas on their sleeves.
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 9:12 am
Posted on 5/22/19 at 9:54 am to Pandy Fackler
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Do you spend your day to day life in a place where there's a reasonable possibility a "bad guy" will pull a gun on you? Or do you spend most of your life in middle class/upper middle class suburbs, where there's practically no risk at all?
There are people for instance who work in new orleans but live in the suburbs. When going to work they conceal carry a pistol but at home in the burbs, they don't carry a gun.
Do you carry a gun no matter what and where?
I think the whole point of packing concealed heat is precisely for those unexpected situations. You are approaching the problem from a risk assessment standpoint, which is fine, but the reason people in suburbia may choose to carry isn't necessarily fear--it's preparedness in case the unthinkable happens.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 9:59 am to 1BIGTigerFan
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It's more comfortable. Better choice of rigs.
Am I to take this to mean you open carry a loaded gun?
If so, what are the circumstances? Do you carry it sometimes or all the time? Do you carry it around town in broad daylight for instance when you're just sorta knockin' around or whatever? Or do you only open carry it at night or when you're in shady parts of town?
Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:11 am to Pandy Fackler
quote:Think about this for a second....what better place to go to commit the crimes that the criminals are gonna commit than an affluent place with plenty of naive fools walking around with plenty of possessions and money...and no apparent way to protect themselves? That's why wolves attack calves in the herd instead of the bulls!
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I wasn't asking the open carry question as it relates to 'the majority of america'.".....well then were you only interested in your little corner of the world?
Yes.
"My little corner of the world" and the vast majority of safe suburbs around the country where you see suburban men who have absolutely nothing to fear or be concerned a out, openly carrying a loaded pistol. It's a bizarre thing.
Besides, if I'm not up to something wrong, I wouldn't worry about someone who was licensed and approved to carry a firearm, but that's just me.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:19 am to TbirdSpur2010
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I think the whole point of packing concealed heat is precisely for those unexpected situations. You are approaching the problem from a risk assessment standpoint, which is fine, but the reason people in suburbia may choose to carry isn't necessarily fear--it's preparedness in case the unthinkable happens.
Well if it's about "risk assessment", then no one would carry a pistol in low crime areas, concealed or otherwise.
I'm not speaking about high crime urban areas for instance. I'm speaking specifically about middle class/upper middle class suburbs where the risk is practically nonexistent.
On the subject of conceal carry, intellectually i can make peace with it for a variety of reasons both practical and psychological. There are women for instance who have been traumatized or are close to someone who has been traumatized. They carry a pistol for no other reason than that it gives them psychological comfort. I get that.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:39 am to coachcrisp
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Think about this for a second....what better place to go to commit the crimes that the criminals are gonna commit than an affluent place with plenty of naive fools walking around with plenty of possessions and money...
But when it comes to middle class/upper middle class suburbs, the facts don't support that assertion. These people aren't "naive fools", they're simply grounded in reality and they're not afraid of the world around them.
And who carries around "plenty of possesions and money"? Cell phones are often secured and useless to a thief. I can't tell if someone is wearing a rolex or not unless i ask them to show it to me. And if people carry cash at all nowadays, it's usually less than 50 dollars.
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That's why wolves attack calves in the herd instead of the bulls!
In middle class/upper middle class suburbs that's not happening. We have middle class/upper middle class suburbs for precisely that reason. The threat of attack is practically nonexistent. That's why we live in these places.
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Besides, if I'm not up to something wrong, I wouldn't worry about someone who was licensed and approved to carry a firearm, but that's just me.
In the state of Louisiana, you do not have to be "licensed or approved" to openly carry a loaded pistol. In Louisiana, to openly carry a loaded gun, you need only a pulse. No training, no nothing.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 11:13 am to Pandy Fackler
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Well if it's about "risk assessment", then no one would carry a pistol in low crime areas, concealed or otherwise.
I'm saying YOU were making your point based upon risk assessment.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 11:17 am to TbirdSpur2010
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I'm saying YOU were making your point based upon risk assessment.
I see.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 11:53 am to Pandy Fackler
Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:23 pm to Pandy Fackler
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Am I to take this to mean you open carry a loaded gun?
It would be useless if it was unloaded. The same way a concealed carry would be useless unloaded.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 1:05 pm to 1BIGTigerFan
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It would be useless if it was unloaded. The same way a concealed carry would be useless unloaded.
Well to hear some of these folks tell it, an unloaded open carry gun isn't at all "useless". To some who have chimed in, just the sight of the gun is enough to make someone think twice.
An unloaded concealed gun? Now that's indeed useless.
But it begs the question. Seeing as how these open carry guys believe the sight of the gun alone keeps them safe. I wonder how many are more barney fife than dirty harry and actually keep it unloaded?
Open carry guys seem to be more "statement" than actual substance. Those guys definitely want to be noticed.
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 1:07 pm
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