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re: Ok, i've got a question for you "open carry" guys.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 3:15 pm to Pandy Fackler
Posted on 5/22/19 at 3:15 pm to Pandy Fackler
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If so, what are the circumstances? Do you carry it sometimes or all the time? Do you carry it around town in broad daylight for instance when you're just sorta knockin' around or whatever? Or do you only open carry it at night or when you're in shady parts of town?
I live out in Montgomery, Texas, which is pretty rural. It's close enough to the city so that I can go in to town when I want, or just be out in the country away from it all. I've always enjoyed the Old West/Wild West history and fancy myself as someone who would have enjoyed being alive in that era of our country. Guns are an important aspect in our history and our constitution recognizes the importance of them by the second amendment.
I suppose around the house and in daily activities around my small town, I wear open carry because no one cares. It's just not a big deal and a lot of others do it as well. It's easier to get in and out of the truck and a lot more comfortable to wear. When I go into a bigger city where there are more people, I wear concealed carry. Like others have said, it only makes more sense from a tactical perspective. Your argument that you shouldn't need to wear a gun if you feel safe in a small town is a false argument. It's not for a specific threat, but there for the "just in case". In a small town area, I'm not expecting any type of situation, so I carry open and comfortable. In a bigger city, the threat is higher, so be more tactical and prepared by carrying concealed.
The reason for carrying a gun in the first place? Is because I can. I love that America allows it citizens to protect themselves and not be reliant on the government to do it. I'm the type of person that wants to protect my family and will gladly help others. I pray often that I never have to use it, but I would never be able to live with myself if that rare day came and I was unable to do anything to protect my life or the lives of those around me. So I stay prepared and vigilant.
I guess I do get a sense of pride knowing that our 2nd Amendment rights are unique in this world and I enjoy excising those rights. And if it happens to offend a liberal commie, all the better. But I will still use my rights to carry to protect that same American hating liberal if the situation presented itself.
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 3:51 pm
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 3:43 pm to Pandy Fackler
quote:..and that's why I previously stated that I wouldn't object to tightening the open carry laws in some places.
In the state of Louisiana, you do not have to be "licensed or approved" to openly carry a loaded pistol. In Louisiana, to openly carry a loaded gun, you need only a pulse. No training, no nothing.
"And who carries around "plenty of possesions and money"? Cell phones are often secured and useless to a thief. I can't tell if someone is wearing a rolex or not unless i ask them to show it to me. And if people carry cash at all nowadays, it's usually less than 50 dollars."
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Are you kidding me? I have a cousin who was accosted in the parking lot of a mall in Mountain Brook(elite B'ham suburb) last year. Her purse along with all her jewelry (including a 3 carat wedding ring!) was taken from her and she was knocked unconscious. The police told her that the intercity-B'ham thugs were going into the elite suburbs now because that's where the money was! Go sell your theory to her!
Posted on 5/22/19 at 4:17 pm to 1BIGTigerFan
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Your argument that you shouldn't need to wear a gun if you feel safe in a small town is a false argument. It's not for a specific threat, but there for the "just in case".
But it's not a "false argument". There were about 30 thousand gun deaths last year and about 20 thousand were suicides. That leaves about 10 thousand homicides, the vast majority of which were committed in high crime urban areas through gang violence. In fact, gang violence in urban areas account for about 80% of all gun related homicides.
You can certainly open carry a gun in your rural texas town "just in case" and i'll buy meteor insurance "just in case".
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In a small town area, I'm not expecting any type of situation, so I carry open and comfortable
You still open carry a gun even when your "not expecting any type of situation"?
Ok.
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I pray often that I never have to use it, but I would never be able to live with myself if that rare day came and I was unable to do anything to protect my life or the lives of those around me. So I stay prepared and vigilant.
2013 to 2017 montgomery texas has had.....
Zero murders
Five rapes
Four robberies
Nineteen assaults
The population is about a thousand people.
How "prepared and vigilant" do you really need to be in Montgomery texas? Nothing happens there.
Oh and i'm perfectly fine with anyone open carrying a pistol. I don't care. I'm just waiting for someone to cough up a good reason for doing it.
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The reason for carrying a gun in the first place? Is because I can.
"Because i can" is a social/politcal statement. It's the same reason these "commie liberals" you speak of burn the flag. They do it "because they can". I guess "because i can" is a good enough reason to exercise any right we have.
I'm good with that i guess.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 4:21 pm to coachcrisp
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Are you kidding me? I have a cousin who was accosted in the parking lot of a mall in Mountain Brook(elite B'ham suburb) last year. Her purse along with all her jewelry (including a 3 carat wedding ring!) was taken from her and she was knocked unconscious. The police told her that the intercity-B'ham thugs were going into the elite suburbs now because that's where the money was! Go sell your theory to her!
We all have singular anecdotal stories we use to try and make a point.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 4:24 pm to Pandy Fackler
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2013 to 2017 montgomery texas has had.....
Zero murders
Five rapes
Four robberies
Nineteen assaults
Seems like my gun is working.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 4:31 pm to 1BIGTigerFan
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Seems like my gun is working.
I knew that was coming.
You still get an upvote though.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 4:52 pm to Pandy Fackler
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We all have singular anecdotal stories we use to try and make a point.
quote:What's anecdotal about that piece of information?
"The police told her that the intercity-B'ham thugs were going into the elite suburbs now because that's where the money was!"
Posted on 5/22/19 at 5:49 pm to coachcrisp
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We all have singular anecdotal stories we use to try and make a point.
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"The police told her that the intercity-B'ham thugs were going into the elite suburbs now because that's where the money was!"
What's anecdotal about that piece of information?
When it comes to assault, the police who told her that were wrong and need to review the mountain brook crime stats for 2018.
Mountain brook is considered the safest or second safest town in alabama.
There are about 20 thousand people who live in mountain brook. In 2018, there were 5 assaults and zero murders.
Your cousin's story is a statistical outlier. There are about 19,995 people (out of 20,000) in mountain brook who did not share a similar experience with your cousin last year.
5 assaults and zero murders in the city of mountain brook for 2018. That fact is not anecdotal.
But it's enough to warrant openly carrying a loaded gun.
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 5/23/19 at 6:06 am to Pandy Fackler
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Why do you do it?
Are you afraid of something?
Progressives make the worst damn firearm threads. Same questions every single time.
Why are you afraid of firearms?
Posted on 5/23/19 at 7:43 am to RogerTheShrubber
Don’t think it’s the firearms issue. Mostly wondering why someone wants to open carry like they’re buffalo bill. If is an odd thing to do IMO.
This post was edited on 5/23/19 at 7:43 am
Posted on 5/23/19 at 8:15 am to cas4t
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Don’t think it’s the firearms issue. Mostly wondering why someone wants to open carry like they’re buffalo bill. If is an odd thing to do IMO.
Historically speaking Buffalo Bill and the Old West didn't open carry. That is an idea we get from the Westerns. Most every frontier town had gun control laws that would make a super liberal jealous today.
With good reason. You get a bunch trappers, miners, cowboys, and general vermin coming into your town to tie one on and bother the prostitutes the last thing you want to do is let them carry around guns.
Did folks openly carry in some towns? Sure they did. Usually because the Sheriff was too scared to take their guns. Most anywhere with a decent police presence it was expected that you turn in your guns when you came into town and that you got them when you left.
The famous Shootout at the OK Corral happened because some cowboys refused to hand over their guns while they were in town and it went poorly for them.
As for open carry today... I strongly support licensing and training for anyone who wants to carry a gun. Be it openly or concealed. If we make people prove they can drive a car before we give them a license then we should make them prove they can handle a gun without shooting their pecker off.
Or worse, shooting my pecker off.
Until that becomes the case I am in favor of gun control. I.E. if there are guns near me I want them to be under my control. I know I won't do something stupid with them.
I'm fine with gun ownership, in fact I can put my hands on one right now without getting up from the desk. But if you are going to be carrying one around me I want to be sure that you know what you are doing with that thing.
Posted on 5/23/19 at 8:43 am to Pandy Fackler
quote:You failed to mention the thefts and robbery stats...you got them?
5 assaults and zero murders in the city of mountain brook for 2018. That fact is not anecdotal.
Posted on 5/23/19 at 10:29 am to coachcrisp
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You failed to mention the thefts and robbery stats...you got them?
Yes.
There were 6 robberies for 2018 in mountain brook. One of them was shoplifting.
There were 45 burgluries, ranging from home to business. None of that is germane to openly and publicly carrying a loaded gun. In those instances, loaded guns are only potentially useful in doors.
Thefts are intersting.
131 thefts were committed in mountain brook for 2018. The vast majority of them? That's right, identity theft at a whopping 92. If anything warrants openly carrying a loaded pistol on the mean streets of mountain brook alabama, it's identity theft.
The other thefts were auto related. Either auto theft or breaking into them. Niether one germane to openly and publicly carrying a loaded pistol.
Family violence is more than four times higher in mountain brook than open assault. There were 5 assaults in mountain brook for 2018 and 21 reported instances of family violence. Strangely enough, you're cousin is 4 times more likeky to encounter violence in her own home than the parking lot of bed bath and beyond.
This post was edited on 5/23/19 at 10:50 am
Posted on 5/23/19 at 10:34 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Progressives make the worst damn firearm threads. Same questions every single time.
Why are you afraid of firearms?
You should read the thread.
I'm not afraid of firearms, I own 5 of them. Also, i'm not a progressive.
Posted on 5/23/19 at 10:38 am to cas4t
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Don’t think it’s the firearms issue. Mostly wondering why someone wants to open carry like they’re buffalo bill. It is an odd thing to do IMO.
Well that's exactly it. But more specifically, in middle class/upper middle class suburbs where i'm starting to see it more and more. It's very odd and I haven't received one cogent answer for doing it. Not one.
Posted on 5/23/19 at 10:42 am to Arksulli
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I'm fine with gun ownership, in fact I can put my hands on one right now without getting up from the desk. But if you are going to be carrying one around me I want to be sure that you know what you are doing with that thing.
Stop making sense.
As i said in a previous post. In the state of Louisiana, you need nothing more than a pulse and a clean record to openly carry a gun. That's it, that's all.
Posted on 5/23/19 at 11:54 am to Pandy Fackler
Open carry is dumb. It should be legally allowed but people who open carry out in public just to do it or for everyday protection are only seeking attention. If there’s a robbery they’re going to be the first person shot by the criminals. Concealed carry is the way to go.
I’m talking open carry in a big city. Small town errand running open carry is different.
I’m talking open carry in a big city. Small town errand running open carry is different.
This post was edited on 5/23/19 at 11:59 am
Posted on 5/23/19 at 1:27 pm to Pandy Fackler
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Stop making sense.
As i said in a previous post. In the state of Louisiana, you need nothing more than a pulse and a clean record to openly carry a gun. That's it, that's all.
That worries me.
You need a license to drive a car. Some states require a license for you to helm a boat and I think all should. You need a license to fly a plane.
You should demonstrate an acceptable level of skill to own a firearm. Or at least carry one around all the time.
I don't think that is an attack on the Second Amendment... I think that is common sense.
And... if you wind up on a watch list because you've had psychotic outbreaks or you were a felon I think you should lose your right to have a firearm. I don't think this is trampling your rights, I think its basic common sense. We do not, as a rule, allow blind people to drive. We should not, as a rule, allow people unfit to handle a firearm to carry them.
Ban all guns? Hell no. Ban some people for very good reasons from having guns? Hell yes.
Posted on 5/23/19 at 1:57 pm to Arksulli
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You should demonstrate an acceptable level of skill to own a firearm. Or at least carry one around all the time.
I don't think that is an attack on the Second Amendment... I think that is common sense.
Everyone of these guys that says they open carry a gun "because they can", believes it is an attack on the second amendment.
You can actually be mentally retarded and open carry a gun in Louisiana, as well as being a minor. The right to open carry begins at 17 years of age. So both the mentally and emotionally retarded can open carry a loaded gun in this state.
This post was edited on 5/23/19 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 5/23/19 at 2:34 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Exactly, do most people not wear their seat belts 100% time? When it is not needed 99% of the time.
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