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Posted on 12/20/19 at 7:30 am to East Coast Band
Posted on 12/20/19 at 7:30 am to East Coast Band
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Joe is older than Lamar Jackson. It will be the first time in history that the current Heisman trophy winner is older than the current NFL MVP
Fairly sure that in 2000, Marshall Faulk won the NFL MVP as a 27-year-old, while Chris Weinke earned the Heisman at the age of 28.
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Posted on 12/20/19 at 7:47 am to TideSaint
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When asked about the biggest needs for recruiting in 2020, Nick Saban started on defense.
“I think that defensive players, we wanted to get a couple more guys up front. I think we did,” Saban said Wednesday evening. “We’re still going to try to add to that in the future. Edge players. … We wanted to get at least four DBs … two safeties and two corners to sort of add to that group. We’ve trying to play catchup since we had six guys leaves a couple years ago all at one -- four seniors and two guys to go out early for the draft. So, it’s been a work in progress to try to develop enough depth in that group. That was a need.”
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Who is left on our board that's an edge rusher?
Punctuation wrong? … should've been: Nick Saban pleased with 2020 class, still sees areas to recruit (BamaOnLine)
quote:Note: 5* OT Broderick Jones reportedly took an OV to UA Dec 13-15, per this prior post. Maybe we signed him (and Washington) and he'll announce at the Under Amour game too.
“We have several more guys that will either sign later or have already signed but have not released it yet, and we have agreed not to release it for them,” Saban said after Wednesday’s Citrus Bowl practice. “So, those guys, we really can’t talk about. … We’re pleased. …
So, we basically have 20 players that we can talk about, but we do have room to continue to recruit several other players. We’re actually excited about that, as well.” …
“I think that defensive players, we wanted to get a couple more guys up front. I think we did,” Saban said Wednesday evening. “We’re still going to try to add to that in the future. Edge players … we wanted to get at least four. DBs … two safeties and two corners to sort of add to that group.
Crimson Tide wide receiver commit Traeshon Holden is set to sign later this evening, and Oklahoma running back commit Jase McClellan is expected to flip his pledge to UA. …
“We always want to at least replace the offensive linemen. We feel good about that, which I know some of it hasn’t been released yet.
ETA Note: I've learned that Broderick Jones did not actually take an OV to Bama. He'd tagged his location as UA when he was at UAH in Huntsville with his HS hoops team. So, I think the OL who signed secretly that Saban spoke of is probably Damieon George and that he'll announce at the Jan-2 Under Armour game.
This post was edited on 12/20/19 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 12/20/19 at 7:49 am to remaster916
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Saban hasn't won many head to head recruiting battles against Kirby the last 3 years. Saban did get Sanders and Neal, they were heavy Bama leans that Kirby almost flipped.
On the flip side a whole lot of our head to heads are being done with players from Kirby's home state.
Kirby is recruiting at an insane level and will continue to do so. Anybody arguing otherwise is just exhibiting wishful thinking.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 7:50 am to TidalSurge1
If we could only add 1 more player I’d prefer it to be Mckinnley Jackson. Having the ability to rotate elite, disruptive defensive linemen means a heck of a lot more to the win/loss column than having a big tight end. There are a lot of ways to catch the football across the middle or score in the red zone. There’s only one way to move the line of scrimmage backwards
Posted on 12/20/19 at 7:58 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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If we could only add 1 more player I’d prefer it to be Mckinnley Jackson. Having the ability to rotate elite, disruptive defensive linemen means a heck of a lot more to the win/loss column than having a big tight end. There are a lot of ways to catch the football across the middle or score in the red zone. There’s only one way to move the line of scrimmage backwards
Yea - the amount of attention paid to tight ends is really strange, to be honest. I get it, I would love to have Gilbert or even Washington, but I don't ever remember caring this much about tight ends.
If Gilbert was from Anaheim and picked Oregon and D-Washington was choosing between Texas and USC I don't think we would all be nearly as caught up in the position, IMHO. We'd solely be concerned about it from a numbers perspective.
This post was edited on 12/20/19 at 8:00 am
Posted on 12/20/19 at 8:02 am to Bham Bammer
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Fairly sure that in 2000, Marshall Faulk won the NFL MVP as a 27-year-old, while Chris Weinke earned the Heisman at the age of 28.
That doesn't count.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 8:04 am to SummerOfGeorge
I son to ow think about the significant roles the TE played in the national title games against LSU and Clemson. I think that’s where our infatuation with TE started. Plus a big problem with our run game this year was our edge blocking with our TEs. It was flat terrible for a majority of the season.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 8:06 am to TidalSurge1
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Punctuation was wrong. Should've been:
Maybe.
But seeing as he detailed the DBs we signed by adding two and two together right after he said four makes me think it's not wrong.
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We wanted to get at least four DBs … two safeties and two corners to sort of add to that group.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 8:06 am to labamafan
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big problem with our run game
I'm not so sure that there was a big problem with our run game
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significant roles the TE played in the national title games against LSU and Clemson
Maybe. Brad Smelley probably doesn't start last year either though, and to be completely fair here OJ's huge games against clemson came on busted coverages outside of the bubble screen, and there isn't a TE in this class including Gilbert that has the speed to make that play
Posted on 12/20/19 at 8:08 am to Riseupfromtherubble
Hot take: Irv Smith was a better and more reliable TE than OJ
Posted on 12/20/19 at 8:10 am to Riseupfromtherubble
I do I watched them whiff on blocks and big runs were stuffed because their blocks were so bad. It was sincerely terrible.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 8:12 am to alabamabuckeye
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Hot take: Irv Smith was a better and more reliable TE than OJ
They were both really good, and I think Billingsley has the ability to mold into a poors man Irv.
Really feel like the tight end thing was a luxury this year - there just happened to be 2 elite tight ends we had a shot with and we took it.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 8:13 am to labamafan
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I do I watched them whiff on blocks and big runs were stuffed because their blocks were so bad. It was sincerely terrible.
It was bad the first third of the year. Like the rest of the run blocking, it significantly improved as the year went on.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 8:14 am to alabamabuckeye
OJ looked the part and he still does but he lacks the fire needed to be truly elite. He plays like it's just a game instead of passion.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 8:15 am to alabamabuckeye
It's not a hot take but some context is needed. Irv obviously played with a superior QB in a more TE friendly system and was the 4th or 5th guy defenses had to really worry about in 3 WR sets. OJ never had the luxury of any of that.
I do think Irv is quicker than OJ, to be expected with the size difference, and I think he's a more natural catcher of the football and even a better blocker than OJ, again due to his quickness. You can't teach 6'6" with 4.5 speed though.
Was Irv better at Bama, absolutely imo, I think all things being equal though from a scheme and surrounding talent standpoint, every GM is picking OJ
I do think Irv is quicker than OJ, to be expected with the size difference, and I think he's a more natural catcher of the football and even a better blocker than OJ, again due to his quickness. You can't teach 6'6" with 4.5 speed though.
Was Irv better at Bama, absolutely imo, I think all things being equal though from a scheme and surrounding talent standpoint, every GM is picking OJ
Posted on 12/20/19 at 8:19 am to SummerOfGeorge
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I think Billingsley has the ability to mold into a poors man Irv
I think he can be as good as Irv. We have a small sample size obviously, but the acceleration he showed in the iron bowl really caught me off guard. It jumped off the screen. When he turned upfield it was like he was shot from a cannon. I don't know how he is as a blocker or catching the ball in traffic because he just hasn't had the playing time yet, but as an athlete he looked to be right up there in Irv's realm already. Still a very young player. I think he'll be a big time weapon next year with the WR departure(s)
Posted on 12/20/19 at 8:20 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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I think he can be as good as Irv. We have a small sample size obviously, but the acceleration he showed in the iron bowl really caught me off guard. It jumped off the screen. When he turned upfield it was like he was shot from a cannon. I don't know how he is as a blocker or catching the ball in traffic because he just hasn't had the playing time yet, but as an athlete he looked to be right up there in Irv's realm already. Still a very young player. I think he'll be a big time weapon next year with the WR departure(s)
Yep - I think people forgot how excited we were about him last year.
Again, sucks to miss out on Washington/Gilbert (mainly Gilbert, to be honest) but I don't think it's some massive issue.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 8:37 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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I think he can be as good as Irv. We have a small sample size obviously, but the acceleration he showed in the iron bowl really caught me off guard. It jumped off the screen. When he turned upfield it was like he was shot from a cannon. I don't know how he is as a blocker or catching the ball in traffic because he just hasn't had the playing time yet, but as an athlete he looked to be right up there in Irv's realm already. Still a very young player. I think he'll be a big time weapon next year with the WR departure(s)
Yeah, Billingsley was a jumbo WR in high school who was expected to grow into a TE and hopefully retain his WR athleticism. If he can still run like that at 250 pounds then we have something special.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 8:37 am to labamafan
If I had to choose between a Michael Williams yackle at TE or an OJ Howard, give me MW 10/10 times. I want someone who can drive people off the line of scrimmage. We have enough fast-twitch types on the outside now to create mismatches.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 8:44 am to TideSaint
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quote: Punctuation was wrong … should've been:
Maybe. But seeing as he detailed the DBs we signed by adding two and two together right after he said four makes me think it's not wrong.
quote: We wanted to get at least four DBs … two safeties and two corners to sort of add to that group.
Maybe, but the puctuation is still bad that way because it puts "Edge players …" on an island. Maybe he was referring to DEs (DL) because we already signed 4 OLBs. Webb was the only other OLB on the board, and I think that was because Bama thinks he can play ILB. So I doubt Clowney or any other OLB will be recruited unless Bama thinks he has good potential to play ILB.
ETA: "4-star OLB Edgerrin Cooper (Covington, LA) told 247Sports earlier this week that he has been hearing from Tide DC Pete Golding. The four-star OLB de-committed from Oklahoma last month, and Texas A&M and Mississippi State have been pressing to get him on board since, however he did not sign early. Official visit plans to UA are still up in the air..." -- HS
4* ILB Edgerrin Cooper 6-1.5/205 LA hudl
This post was edited on 12/20/19 at 10:33 pm
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