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Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:36 pm to CrimsonBoz
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Hearing he is going elsewhere. Maybe NFL
That would be interesting...
Is the presumption that Saban is looking internally for the DC (Scott(I'm not sure if he is coming back or not, but I have seen some people say he was viewed highly still)/Golding/Kul) or could we see a former position coach coming back as the DC?
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:38 pm to CrimsonBoz
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Hearing he is going elsewhere. Maybe NFL
I pray so.
I don't want us to have to recruit against Tosh at Georgia.
Besides I like Tosh
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:41 pm to YStar
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We love him for that 2nd and 26, but go back and look at that play. There is another example of Tua making up his mind where he is throwing the ball before the snap and forcing it.
I think that was the throw he wanted to make pre-snap but I don't know that he would've thrown it had he not made the safety move with his eyes. Maybe he still would've but to a layman like me, it seemed that when the safety took a step or two towards the hash, Tua's head turned on a swivel and he made the throw...makes me think that if the safety hadn't move or drifted to the boundary, Tua checks down...
I think you're right that Tua makes quite a few pre-snap reads where his throw is pre-determined...I think both INTs in the Clemson game were that way...I don't think that was necessarily the case on 2nd and 26...
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:46 pm to YStar
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Tua had struggles from MSU onward.
I'm not taking sides in this "debate" - I only needed to reference the above timeline:
In fairness, Tua's struggles (which meant playing like a mortal for a change) coincided with a dramatic increase in the quality of defenses faced in the second half of the year and with the period of the year he spent injured.
Tua made some mistakes, sure, but he also made a metric frickton of awesome plays and spent most of the year being regarded nationally as the best thing since sliced bread.
A handful of folks in this fanbase need to quit cherry-picking parts of the whole in order to form their illogically strong opinions, and start appreciating the whole. For every bad play Tua made, be made wheel-barrel-fulls of good ones.
It just cost us at the end be we honestly weren't a complete team.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:48 pm to Tider95
Tider95
Y Star's read on the defensive mind game is far better than you appear to understand.
TUA is still young from and age and experience standpoint. He has a few flaws that were exploited and hopefully an off-season of film study with a QB coach that understands the level of exploitation can help him grow beyond those issues.
Because of his stature, Tua relies heavily on pre-snap reads. The best DC's he faced used that against him. As he learns and improves, attempts to bait him like that will hurt the DC more than help him. It is not a knock on Tua to point to a young flaw, it is a knock on a coach that cannot coach him thru the flaw in the short run.
Sark has seen what DC's can do to a QB for a couple of years at the next level up. That experience and off season time to teach that to Tua can have a big impact on the next leap in his QB football IQ. Tua is a very coachable kid but he must understand the why behind the words. To master that WHY takes time and he now has several month to digest the why and learn to feast on it.
CNS has made a living for several years doing to other QB's exactly what was done to Tua by the best DC's he faced this year. CNS's choices on who works with Tua the next few months is likely colored by what he knows has to be done to keep what the DC's learned this year from being so effective next year.
Y Star's read on the defensive mind game is far better than you appear to understand.
TUA is still young from and age and experience standpoint. He has a few flaws that were exploited and hopefully an off-season of film study with a QB coach that understands the level of exploitation can help him grow beyond those issues.
Because of his stature, Tua relies heavily on pre-snap reads. The best DC's he faced used that against him. As he learns and improves, attempts to bait him like that will hurt the DC more than help him. It is not a knock on Tua to point to a young flaw, it is a knock on a coach that cannot coach him thru the flaw in the short run.
Sark has seen what DC's can do to a QB for a couple of years at the next level up. That experience and off season time to teach that to Tua can have a big impact on the next leap in his QB football IQ. Tua is a very coachable kid but he must understand the why behind the words. To master that WHY takes time and he now has several month to digest the why and learn to feast on it.
CNS has made a living for several years doing to other QB's exactly what was done to Tua by the best DC's he faced this year. CNS's choices on who works with Tua the next few months is likely colored by what he knows has to be done to keep what the DC's learned this year from being so effective next year.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:52 pm to PBD4BAMA
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Boz, did you hear anything about a fight between R. Davis and Womack with J. Williams getting involved after a practice leading up to the championship game?
I've never heard this and have no context for your story, but fights at football practice should not be regarded as negative, problematic, or even uncommon by fans.
The worst teams have no fire at practice at all, and frequently the best teams have so much fire that it spills over every now and then. It's honestly a normal part of football and is much, MUCH more common than most realize.
Obviously, it can't be constant, but I'd be much more concerned if we never had fights.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:53 pm to Tw1st3d
I'm not the one arguing his weaknesses, I believe you are looking for a different poster. In fact I agree with Ystar on most of it. My disagreement is with his evaluation of Enos, specifically because we have no clue what he did behind the scenes to work with Tua. Early in the season Tua did take the checkdowns and avoid locking into pre snap reads, he slid back into some bad habits and my point is that Enos had no tangible means to make him change his ways, especially if Tua felt like he was fine the way he was.
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:54 pm to prevatt33
Did not hear of that no. Pretty standard for our team though.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:55 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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He can cut that BS bowing after each TD as well.
ENTERTAIN ME IN THE WAY I DEMAND TO BE ENTERTAINED! AND DO IT WITHOUT MY CONTRIBUTION OR PAYMENT IN ANY WAY! AND DO IT NOW!
Posted on 1/14/19 at 4:00 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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I am in the camp that #13 really got full of himself. He can cut that BS bowing after each TD as well.
If he's responsible for a TD and wants to celebrate, I don't care. I don't give a damn if he gets a running start and spray-farts in a cheerleader's face if the scoreboard keeps changing in increments of 7.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 4:03 pm to YStar
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This is why I don't like talking football at times here.
Then do us all a favor and STFU. I'm tired of having to scroll past your drivel to get to anything worth reading. As a matter of fact, I don't recall reading very many threads you participate in unless it's to be a contrarian.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 4:11 pm to Tider95
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My disagreement is with his evaluation of Enos, specifically because we have no clue what he did behind the scenes to work with Tua. Early in the season Tua did take the checkdowns and avoid locking into pre snap reads, he slid back into some bad habits and my point is that Enos had no tangible means to make him change his ways, especially if Tua felt like he was fine the way he was.
Enos was hired for one reason...to be the QB coach. His job was to advance the QB IQ of both Tua and Hurts so they would (edit: NOT) slide back into some bad habits. Both made advancements and both showed a tendency to slide back into bad habits when the game pressure ratcheted up. Teaching the WHY is every bit as important as the what to change bad habits. When the pressure was on, Tua
quote:so in that effort, Enos failed.
slid back into some bad habits
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 4:14 pm to TiderNAL
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Then do us all a favor and STFU. I'm tired of having to scroll past your drivel to get to anything worth reading. As a matter of fact, I don't recall reading very many threads you participate in unless it's to be a contrarian.
He failed miserably on his assessment of Tua and instead of owning it he's tucked tail and refused to discuss it further.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 4:18 pm to TiderNAL
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Then do us all a favor and STFU. I'm tired of having to scroll past your drivel to get to anything worth reading. As a matter of fact, I don't recall reading very many threads you participate in unless it's to be a contrarian.
Nah tough guy I'll talk more.
This is the problem with the internet. You wouldn't give me eye contact in real life but you're emboldened by a keyboard and a screen.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 4:21 pm to jryanw
Never cross the sunshine pumpers.....
Posted on 1/14/19 at 4:22 pm to jryanw
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He failed miserably on his assessment of Tua and instead of owning it he's tucked tail and refused to discuss it further.
What? Dude I have spoken of specific plays where I have diagnosed what coverage was ran before the play what they switched to after the play and where Tua made his mistakes.
You guys couldn't even retort me intelligently and dissect my actual examples or provide actual examples which proved your own merit to show you know what you're talking about.
All I received in response was grown men getting mad because I am being constructively critical of player.
You can't give me a legitmate response so miss me with this nonsense.
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 4:28 pm to YStar
I retorted you with this:
And you had no response.
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And that's just not true. Does he make mistakes? Yes absolutely. Did they hurt us bad in the Championship Game? Definitely. Does this have to do with Tua not being willing to go to his 2,3, or 4th option? No not at all. In fact Juedy was his 2nd or 3rd option on the long int. I'm sure if you have played in the NFL that you know football but Tuas problem is not pre snap reads. In fact that one of his best traits. His problem is not throwing the ball away when the defense has the play well covered. Early in the season, before the multiple injuries to his legs, it didn't matter because when it wasn't there he took off or got out of the pocket and played "backyard football" until someone got open. Once he lost some of his mobility he started to turn it over because he rarely throws the ball into the stands.
And you had no response.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 4:31 pm to jryanw
None of that addresses actual plays where mistakes were made. None of that address any of the specific plays which I spoke of in detail which pointed out coverage pre-snap, post-snap and the mistakes being made.
That didn't address anything but give an excuse for Tua not growing.
Guess how complacency set in this team? With bullshite like that. They don't need a pat in the back or excuses.
That didn't address anything but give an excuse for Tua not growing.
Guess how complacency set in this team? With bullshite like that. They don't need a pat in the back or excuses.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 5:07 pm to YStar
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It was Saban who thought we shouldn't blitz when everybody in America were saying put pressure on Trevor Lawrence and don't let him get comfortable
Lawrence was one of the best passers in the country against the blitz all season.
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