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Posted on 11/20/18 at 3:23 am to Capstone2017
At the high end of college ball (where the big money is made) these kids get plenty. Full ride scholly with all the other benefits of playing for a premiere college. Top level prep and exposure for the pros. Look at the amount of money spent on these players, everything from recruiting to the finished product (diploma or pro contract). If they want to get paid straight out of high school, the NFL needs to start a farm league.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 3:58 am to Capstone2017
When they sign a NFL contract.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 4:56 am to Commander Data
Once it becomes about money kids will go where they get offered the most. It will ruin collegiate athletics
Posted on 11/20/18 at 5:59 am to seanpendleton10
You get the opportunity to get a college education that will pay you for the rest of your life.
I work in the medical field and have met numerous former players from both Bama and the Barn. These guys have a basic 4 year degree in finance/business, etc and come out making 6 figures with a company car as reps for pharmaceutical/medical device companies simply because they played at one of the states 2 institutions. I personally know 2 guys that were essentially tackling dummies on the 92 championship team, but because they can flash that ring in the offices and BS the doctors, these guys have jobs. They have literally made millions in their professional career as reps, simply because they played football and have the degree.
They have provided a great life for themselves and their families because they used the system to their advantage and got the most out of the education that was earned by busting their asses (and getting it kicked on the scout team).
I'm ok with a stipend for the players to have a little spending money (because they are not allowed to work during the season/school year), but never to pay them as some suggest.
I work in the medical field and have met numerous former players from both Bama and the Barn. These guys have a basic 4 year degree in finance/business, etc and come out making 6 figures with a company car as reps for pharmaceutical/medical device companies simply because they played at one of the states 2 institutions. I personally know 2 guys that were essentially tackling dummies on the 92 championship team, but because they can flash that ring in the offices and BS the doctors, these guys have jobs. They have literally made millions in their professional career as reps, simply because they played football and have the degree.
They have provided a great life for themselves and their families because they used the system to their advantage and got the most out of the education that was earned by busting their asses (and getting it kicked on the scout team).
I'm ok with a stipend for the players to have a little spending money (because they are not allowed to work during the season/school year), but never to pay them as some suggest.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 6:02 am to Capstone2017
Say you pay the players, then where does it start? Tell what the logistics are. Do you pay based on performance or based on how high profile they are? Do you pay the second string long snapper the same as Tua? Are these contracts year to year or for 4 years? Can another school offer to buy the contract? Can a school terminate a contract if the player isn’t performing? Who gets the rights to any money made from the #2 jersey sales? Jalen, Tony Brown, Derrick Henry, or David Palmer? Can a player sue if the school’s merchandise store doesn’t offer his number?
People across the country are saddled with student loan debt that these players will never have to worry about. Most of these players will never see an NFL field and will have to find their way in the workforce like the rest of us. They are given a free education to prepare them for that life. Amazing how people just dismiss that and quite often their status as a player gets them in doors for jobs that a normal student never would be able to see. These players get access to the first class facilities & resources that help them get better. They are given a platform to showcase that talent where they can potentially make millions for playing a game. People currently bitch about the haves and have nots in college football. That would only get worse if we got into a pay for play system.
So before you perpetuate this lazy narrative, please tell me how you’d go about doing it in a way that’s truly “fair” and wouldn’t fundamentally alter the sport forever.
“Pay the players” sounds good just like “expand the playoff” or “free healthcare for all” or “raise the minimum wage to a living wage.” But like those ideas, it’s just a soundbite used by people living in a fantasy world and it just crumbles once you get below the surface.
People across the country are saddled with student loan debt that these players will never have to worry about. Most of these players will never see an NFL field and will have to find their way in the workforce like the rest of us. They are given a free education to prepare them for that life. Amazing how people just dismiss that and quite often their status as a player gets them in doors for jobs that a normal student never would be able to see. These players get access to the first class facilities & resources that help them get better. They are given a platform to showcase that talent where they can potentially make millions for playing a game. People currently bitch about the haves and have nots in college football. That would only get worse if we got into a pay for play system.
So before you perpetuate this lazy narrative, please tell me how you’d go about doing it in a way that’s truly “fair” and wouldn’t fundamentally alter the sport forever.
“Pay the players” sounds good just like “expand the playoff” or “free healthcare for all” or “raise the minimum wage to a living wage.” But like those ideas, it’s just a soundbite used by people living in a fantasy world and it just crumbles once you get below the surface.
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Posted on 11/20/18 at 6:18 am to FairhopeTider
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Say you pay the players, then where does it start?
Treat them like every other student on campus. Let them make money off their name, have jobs, etc.
That way you avoid the title IX bullshite and players in all sports can make what they are worth without they university paying more than they are now.
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Posted on 11/20/18 at 6:37 am to Capstone2017
You mean other than the likely in excess of 50,000 a year in benefits they already get?
Posted on 11/20/18 at 6:43 am to Capstone2017
Anybody who thinks these kids don't get paid should have to pay off my student loans.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 6:47 am to JustGetItRight
quote:If someone's willing to pay them more, yes.
You mean other than the likely in excess of 50,000 a year in benefits they already get?
Posted on 11/20/18 at 6:58 am to pvilleguru
I have heard it said that if you start paying them then they are employees of said University. Then hour and wage laws may come into play along with workman's comp. You may as well make CFB a minor league at this point. This is a fine line cuz you would have to pay the women volleyball team players something. And if it was not equal to football then you would run into title 9 issues.
I wouldn't mind them putting money into an escrow account for earning a degree and upon graduation give them this. Or start up some time of annuity or investment account that the U owns until they graduate.
I wouldn't mind them putting money into an escrow account for earning a degree and upon graduation give them this. Or start up some time of annuity or investment account that the U owns until they graduate.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:36 am to pvilleguru
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Let them make money off their name, have jobs, etc
NOPE NOPE NOPE. If so it would have to be a standard all across the board from player to player and from school to school.
If not some adult will ruin it. Player X is coming out of high school and is choosing between Kansas St (because that's where he grew up) and UTx. On his recruiting trip to UTx his host player tells him if he comes to UTx they have this guy who always buys players worn jerseys for 5K each, Kst. doesn't have that dude. So now Utx has a recruiting advantage because the player (if he rides the pine or not) will make more money off his name at one school versus another.
You can't just simplistically say, oh just let them sell autographs or their jerseys without putting layers and layers of controls. Eventually someone will tell a recruit, hey if your wearing a Bama jersey and sign a picture for my kid I'll give you an 100K but if you go to UF then good luck to you.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:43 am to PCRammer
I don't see the problem with that.
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Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:47 am to mrbroker
People love to say the Olympic Model is the solution. The problem with that is that Olympians aren't recruited. Opening up college athletes to endorsement deals and such is just begging for absolute corruption on the recruiting trail. Sure, stuff happens now in recruiting but it would be an entire new level if it was allowed. Its not like we're talking about an offensive lineman getting a few dollars for his autograph or a QB getting $1000 to put his face on a billboard for the local burger shack. Phil Knight and Oregon could literally buy a recruiting class with Nike. Boosters would be offering six figures for no-show jobs or for a stack of autographs.
However, I'm sure some people would have no problem with all of that and how it would change the game just so we can appease maybe 1% of college athletes. College Football is flawed but it's still a great sport. I'll never understand the constant whining to basically turn it into the NFL whether it be by paying players or expanding the playoff.
However, I'm sure some people would have no problem with all of that and how it would change the game just so we can appease maybe 1% of college athletes. College Football is flawed but it's still a great sport. I'll never understand the constant whining to basically turn it into the NFL whether it be by paying players or expanding the playoff.
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Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:50 am to FairhopeTider
It'll still be the same game. The only difference is some of the haves and have nots may change.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:06 am to FairhopeTider
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The problem with that is that Olympians aren't recruited.
But they absolutely are. 178 non natives competed for countries other than their own in the 2018 winter olympics.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:11 am to Capstone2017
After we pay the refs and the SEC office (in Birmingham). Everything in order.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:21 am to Capstone2017
quote:why is this so hard to understand? If you pay football and basketball players salary (beyond the about$100k/year worth of tuition, free food, free housing, stipend, and free medical care), you are going to have to pay women's lacross players the same thing, and every other shitty sport that doesn't make money. It's called title 9. It would be the end of collegiate sports. Not even schools with highly profitable football teams can add that.
Can anyone convince me that it's fair that the University makes hundreds of millions off the players work without paying them? I know the argument that it will ruin parity in the game but with all the science coming out about CTE it seems like if we don't start paying people they won't take the risk and football will start to die off.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:22 am to MoarKilometers
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But they absolutely are. 178 non natives competed for countries other than their own in the 2018 winter olympics.
So 6% of those athletes played for another country their own. Compare that to College Sports where 100% of all athletes are recruited.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:23 am to FairhopeTider
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So 6% of those athletes played for another country their own. Compare that to College Sports where 100% of all athletes are recruited
Which means way more than 6% were actually recruited.
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