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re: Georgia fan shares racist comments made by UGA baseball player toward Justin Fields
Posted on 10/4/18 at 1:23 pm to MontyFranklyn
Posted on 10/4/18 at 1:23 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Do other slurs have the storied history behind them? They aren't equal because the histories aren't equal.
If you think that undermines my premise, so be it. I wholeheartedly disagree.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 1:32 pm to The Boat
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The girl who posted that sounds like a real cünt
Doesn't surprise me in the least that a Trump supporter on this site thinks that about a black girl. You sound like a racist. Wear that badge with honor.
This post was edited on 10/4/18 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 10/4/18 at 1:42 pm to fibonaccisquared
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Like how someone can equate usage of profane language in front of church goers with derogatory racial slurs?
There are things that you say in one place that you wouldn't say in others.
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T-bird has been spot on here from his first post. You're the one who decided to come in over the top with ~it's derogatory and white people shouldn't use it at all~... then provided a weird caveat that it's ok to use it privately?
You just stated that it's a racial slur. It has a history of how it was used and people take offense to it. If you know that then don't be surprised that people react to it.
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It's not that difficult... don't be a racist a-hole. Period
Agreed...
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If you're saying things privately and thinking them to yourself, what makes that better than the dude who publicly states the same opinion. I'd argue that it's probably a bit worse... at least the dude who states it publicly lets everyone know where he stands... even if it is wrong. Closet racism would seemingly be much worse... making selective hires based on skin color, "it's ok for white girls to date black men, but not my daughter", etc...
Few things here for me, one is that My point about it being "ok" to say it privately (which to me it isn't, but you can say what you want in private at times without consequence, but what's cool with someone else may not be with me) was more geared towards those who insist that they should be able to say it when and wherever they feel (1st Amendment and all) As I've stated earlier because of the history of it people will take offense to it.
Next you're right the guy who publicly states it lets everyone know where he stands, not to infer but it's probably been said "privately" enough to where he was comfortable enough to say it publicly. Which brings me to another point that lets me know where many others around him stood as well and though many tried to stop him there were some that didn't. Again I applaud the young lady who reported it
I understand context but it goes both ways. But this is why I don't like texting or chatting back and forth. The conversation would probably be a whole lot better and more productive face to face
This post was edited on 10/4/18 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 10/4/18 at 1:47 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Incorrect. Like with any coarse/crass language, it's all about context. Time to stop treating black people like we're too stupid to figure out when the word is being used as a pejorative or not. Time for black people to stop the double standard of allowing the word based on the speaker, regardless of context. The whole exercise is retarded.
i think first, we all need to recognize that ni..a and ni..er are two different words with two very different, opposing definitions.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 1:49 pm to Snoop1911
I think that people still don't understand that the 1st Amendment only protects you from government retaliation. No one can tell anyone else how they should feel about any situation. Some people will be bothered by situations, some won't. In this particular case, the administration of UGA had to make a decision that is rooted on economic well being. Winning football games generates revenue, elite black athlete help you win football games, those same athletes of the future may be swayed to attend other institutions, wins start to decrease, revenue starts to decrease, UGA not happy.
So in this case, it was easier to make a statement by dismissing him, that some may see as pandering, that sends a message that we won't allow you, the black athlete, to be disrespected in that manner.
So in this case, it was easier to make a statement by dismissing him, that some may see as pandering, that sends a message that we won't allow you, the black athlete, to be disrespected in that manner.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 1:58 pm to HTDawg
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Doesn't surprise me in the least that a Trump supporter on this site thinks that about a black girl.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 2:01 pm to Masterag
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i think first, we all need to recognize that ni..a and ni..er are two different words with two very different, opposing definitions.
Now I'm actually curious, and I'll defer to your knowledge on this one, my Aggy (only we can use that word, by the way, fellow SEC brethren ).
Are the -a and -er separate entries in the dictionary? I truly don't know. I do know that the differing pronunciations tend to carry dichotomous connotations, of course. Never tried to look up one independent of the other, though.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 2:02 pm to MontyFranklyn
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I think that people still don't understand that the 1st Amendment only protects you from government retaliation. No one can tell anyone else how they should feel about any situation. Some people will be bothered by situations, some won't. In this particular case, the administration of UGA had to make a decision that is rooted on economic well being. Winning football games generates revenue, elite black athlete help you win football games, those same athletes of the future may be swayed to attend other institutions, wins start to decrease, revenue starts to decrease, UGA not happy.
So in this case, it was easier to make a statement by dismissing him, that some may see as pandering, that sends a message that we won't allow you, the black athlete, to be disrespected in that manner.
It cannot be said any better than Monty said it right here. Perfectly distilled
Posted on 10/4/18 at 2:04 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Justin is simply the kind of guy who calls a spade a spade.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 2:11 pm to Snoop1911
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There are things that you say in one place that you wouldn't say in others.
You just stated that it's a racial slur. It has a history of how it was used and people take offense to it. If you know that then don't be surprised that people react to it.
None of this addresses what I asked... in fact it only exacerbates the difference. How is it that you think it's equivalent to take a word that does in fact have a history, and people can be rightly offended by its use with profane language that is not pointed at a race, gender, or other specific group, and people making the conscious decision to determine that those words are offensive? They simply aren't equivalent.
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Few things here for me, one is that My point about it being "ok" to say it privately (which to me it isn't) was more geared towards who insist that they should be able to say it when and wherever they feel, and as I've stated earlier because of the history of it people will take offense to it.
Next you're right the guy who publicly states it lets everyone know where he stands, not to infer but it's probably been said "privately" enough to where he was comfortable enough to say it publicly. Which brings me to another point that lets me know where many others around him stood as well and though many tried to stop him there were some that didn't. Again I applaud the young lady who reported it
I understand context but it goes both ways.
Everyone *can* in fact say most anything they want when/where they want with very limited exceptions. It's a granted right. What they are not, is free from consequences of those words. If you want to drop the N-bomb publicly, that's your prerogative... but yes, you shouldn't be surprised when people are offended and you get taken to task for it. Sasser's comments reek of someone who was *waaay* too comfortable with the use and the setting. That's pretty disappointing quite frankly, coming from a UGA fan.
With that said, the "young lady" who reported it, I have a bit of a hard time supporting here. Not for reporting it - as she was right to do so - but rather the supplementary context she has attempted to provide, painting the larger environment at the university as somehow one of toxic racism, where she and fellow minority classmates have to deal with this sort of thing on a continual basis. (So much so that her friend she was walking to the game with went home because of racist remarks...) I spent 4 years in Athens, and in that time probably heard the N word dropped less than 5 times total by anyone not black. I admittedly hung out with pretty diverse crowds, but to even remotely approach hearing the amount of racially charged remarks that she has implied she and friends deal with, you would have to actively seek them out on a daily basis. At that point, I tend to jump back to the old Raylan Givens line from Justified...
Posted on 10/4/18 at 2:14 pm to bigDgator
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Oh Em GEE! Sombody said a bad word
He's an absolute idiot for saying it. In these times we live, it's going to have bad consequences.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 2:15 pm to MontyFranklyn
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I think that people still don't understand that the 1st Amendment only protects you from government retaliation. No one can tell anyone else how they should feel about any situation. Some people will be bothered by situations, some won't. In this particular case, the administration of UGA had to make a decision that is rooted on economic well being. Winning football games generates revenue, elite black athlete help you win football games, those same athletes of the future may be swayed to attend other institutions, wins start to decrease, revenue starts to decrease, UGA not happy.
So in this case, it was easier to make a statement by dismissing him, that some may see as pandering, that sends a message that we won't allow you, the black athlete, to be disrespected in that manner.
Monty bringin' da heat.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 2:18 pm to CarolinaGamecock99
Matched with this chick on bumble. For those that aren't familar it's like Tinder except the girl has to message first.
Anyway girl messages me and within 2 minutes of messaging drops the N word while talking about some magic mike thing she went to. I was like WTF? How can you drop the n word that easily without concern for how it will be taken.
I told the bitch I hope he whipped your arse and unmatched her.
Anyway girl messages me and within 2 minutes of messaging drops the N word while talking about some magic mike thing she went to. I was like WTF? How can you drop the n word that easily without concern for how it will be taken.
I told the bitch I hope he whipped your arse and unmatched her.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 2:29 pm to Go_Dawgs
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Blacks use it to celebrate their culture but other races that sing along to rap lyrics and such are also told, “How dare you celebrate our culture using that word. Only we can do that.”
Do you think he was referring to Fields in a celebratory manner?
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If a student can be canned for using that word then ALL students regardless of race should face the same punishment. If it is truly that bad of a word then treat everyone that uses it equally.
Why do people act so dumb about this? People call their friends a "bitch" all the time, but try calling your girlfriend/wife that word to her face. This idea that the word itself is the problem is dumb. The context, audience, and speaker matter. That's the case with many words.
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All of you ok with this kids punishment are pussies that allow a word to rule your lives. Pathetic.
I don't think he should have been kicked off the team for it, for whatever that's worth.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 2:30 pm to Go_Dawgs
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All of you ok with this kids punishment are pussies that allow a word to rule your lives. Pathetic.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 2:31 pm to HTDawg
We you lose the argument, attack the person. Well played snowflake
Posted on 10/4/18 at 2:31 pm to Masterag
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Please don't start with that new age "if you don't put 'er on it" it ain't the same word.
Young people invented that bs
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i think first, we all need to recognize that ni..a and ni..er are two different words with two very different, opposing definitions.
Please don't start with that new age "if you don't put 'er on it" it ain't the same word.
Young people invented that bs
Posted on 10/4/18 at 2:40 pm to fibonaccisquared
I just don't think that people truly understand that most decisions like this that are made by individuals and groups, of all scales, ultimately comes down to how it will effect the decision maker monetarily.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 2:40 pm to stateofplay
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Please don't start with that new age "if you don't put 'er on it" it ain't the same word.
Young people invented that bs
I don't care how you say the word. Drawing a hard line that one pronunciation or the other is always acceptable/unacceptable is dumb.
The context, speaker, and audience matter. The pronunciation debate is asinine.
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