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re: NCAA IS re-opening LSU's Kristian Fulton 2-year ban case

Posted on 7/17/18 at 3:11 pm to
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58943 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 3:11 pm to
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Taking a whole year away doesnt get the message across, get out of here. It absolutely does. My god you're a moron.



Weren't you the one arguing that they would still try to tamper with the testes even knowing that it could screw up their whole career. Apparently it does not get the message across.
Posted by Rohan Gravy
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2017
18022 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 3:11 pm to
What’s the rule for being busted with weed and guns?

What’s the rule for paying players?

Yes, he did something stupid and broke the rule.

By rule he should be suspended for 2 years.

Maybe, just maybe, it might be a bad rule.
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68474 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 3:11 pm to
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Not really

If Fulton was smart enough to actually buy a fake penis (a guy on our team in my days had one. cost almost a 1k but it was matched to his skin tone and everything) he would have a great chance of getting away with it.


Oh in that case
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68474 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 3:12 pm to
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Weren't you the one arguing that they would still try to tamper with the testes even knowing that it could screw up their whole career. Apparently it does not get the message across.



No? Are you getting this desperate at this point...
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58943 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 3:13 pm to
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You keep going off on this tangent, nobody is arguing about following through with a penalty to a rule, we are saying the penalty itself is stupid and ruining of a career, please stop playing dumb here.




Wasn't it you, or another LSU poster that wanted to bring Joe Mixon in on the conversation? But it is me who is going on a tangent and not sticking with the thread? Shall I go through the thread and show you how many LSU fans have gone on tangent that had nothing to do with how stupid the rule is except that their CB won't be able to play?
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
9466 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 3:14 pm to
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You really think every true freshman knows every single rule the NCAA has and every penalty behind it?


Yes, I do. When I entered college as a Freshman we had seminars that informed us of policies and the consequences for breaking them. I know for a fact Athletes get this training because my friends that were on the team had to get up early on a couple Saturdays for this type of training. They were made because they couldn't go out with use the first couple weeks of school freshman year.

Everyone claims they didn't know. I guarantee you somewhere there is a piece of paper with his signature on it that proves he knew and received the training.

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You're just ridiculous, he actually PASSED the test


He cheated to try to fricking cover it up. Are you delusional? Why did he get a 2 year suspension? For CHEATING on a drug test. He used someone else's piss.

You remember in school, if you got caught cheating on a test you got a zero for that test? Your attunement is he got caught cheating but the questions he didn't cheat on he got right so he doesn't deserve a 0.
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68474 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 3:15 pm to
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Yes, I do.


Then you're an idiot, not that you haven't put that clearly on display this entire thread.

Oh yeah, and about that signed paper, probably very similar to when someone agrees to 100+ pages of terms and conditions, but hey, they knew it and signed it
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 3:16 pm
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68474 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 3:16 pm to
quote:

Wasn't it you, or another LSU poster that wanted to bring Joe Mixon in on the conversation? But it is me who is going on a tangent and not sticking with the thread? Shall I go through the thread and show you how many LSU fans have gone on tangent that had nothing to do with how stupid the rule is except that their CB won't be able to play?



Nevermind, you aren't playing dumb, you are just dumb.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58943 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 3:17 pm to
quote:

Weren't you the one arguing that they would still try to tamper with the testes even knowing that it could screw up their whole career. Apparently it does not get the message across.




quote:

No? Are you getting this desperate at this point...


Desperate? no. It was lsufball, and here is what he said:

LINK /

This was aksed:
You think they will tamper with the tests knowing if they get caught it could finish them?


And this is how he answered:
yes, I do

I will wait on your apology.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
65136 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 3:18 pm to
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It's pretty obvious why the rule is 2 years. It's been explained to you and others in this thread why it's two years and why it's appropriate to be two years. I cannot help it if LSU failed you so much so that you cannot grasp the situation.


Again, are rules ever changed? It's a simple question and a rhetorical one. Given it is inarguable that rules are changed from time to time, can you tell me why a rule would be changed? Does it mean there was no justification for the rule in the first place? No, not necessarily. Does it mean maybe different minds have differing ways of thinking? Sure, very possible. Believe it or not, there is not one prevailing opinion or inarguable stance on what the punishment should or should not be. You think the punishment is justified, I don't. Ad hominem attacks don't strengthen your argument, nor is your opinion (or the NCAA's for that matter) infallible. (I didn't go to LSU btw, not that has any relevance whatsoever, but thanks for bringing that up as if it did.)
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I am not saying he should be suspended for two years because that's the rule. I

That's exactly what you're doing
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am saying he should be suspended for two years because it makes sense.

To you, sure. To me, I don't think a 2 year suspension is commensurate with that behavior. I promise, one person can disagree with another without one person being "stupid."
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One year for the test itself and one year as a deterrent for cheating the system. Those are two completely different things.

Two different things that I think shouldn't have differing punishments
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And dont say he ultimately passed the test so that excuses one year.

I didn't but if you want to build that strawman too, don't let me stand in your ay
quote:

He probably cheated on that test too.

well he didn't, but whatever
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
9466 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 3:18 pm to
quote:

Taking a whole year away doesnt get the message across, get out of here. It absolutely does. My god you're a moron.



Dude, two years didn't even get the point across that this mental midget shouldn't tamper because he still did it. But I'm the moron...
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
44874 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 3:19 pm to
Fulton gonna be reinstated this year and own UGA
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95946 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 3:19 pm to
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Then you're an idiot,
He isnt an idiot


At lsu, at the start of every year, we had a meeting with all athletes and they went over the ncaa rules


Some were glossed over because the rule book was huge, but they pounded into our heads the drug testing rules, and ever always, I mean always, made it a point to remind us cheating the test led to a worse penalty

We then signed attesting we understood the rules.




Posted by Rohan Gravy
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2017
18022 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 3:19 pm to
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When I entered college as a Freshman we had seminars that informed us of policies and the consequences for breaking them.


“I always liked playing Georgia early in the season, because they had so many players suspended”.....Steve Spurrier
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58943 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 3:20 pm to
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Fulton gonna be reinstated this year and own UGA

That is possible, but I doubt either happens.
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 3:23 pm
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
44874 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 3:21 pm to
It's not an either/or
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58943 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 3:21 pm to
quote:

When I entered college as a Freshman we had seminars that informed us of policies and the consequences for breaking them.


quote:

“I always liked playing Georgia early in the season, because they had so many players suspended”.....Steve Spurrier

Yep and we didn't come on the board whining about how unfair it was.

So far, none are suspended for this year, though.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58943 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 3:22 pm to
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It's not an either/or

No it isn't, but he can't very well own Georgia if he isn't reinstated, can he?
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
9466 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 3:22 pm to
I really don't care whether he is suspended or not. What I really take exception with is how terrible at reasoning and thinking skills the LSU fans are displaying in this thread. I mean I know LSU doesn't rank very high but I thought you would needed at least basic reasoning skills to graduate.
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68474 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 3:23 pm to
quote:

At lsu, at the start of every year, we had a meeting with all athletes and they went over the ncaa rules


Some were glossed over because the rule book was huge, but they pounded into our heads the drug testing rules, and ever always, I mean always, made it a point to remind us cheating the test led to a worse penalty

We then signed attesting we understood the rules.


And again key words in there. These are 18 year olds we're talking about, it's not an excuse just a fact they aren't going to remember every single consequence for every single rule. Do you really, honestly, truly believe Fulton knew about this 2 year ban before that test, and not just heard it once or saw it in passing, but legitimately thought beforehand "if I get caught, i lose 2 years".
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