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re: So is The Auburn mascot racist too? How about Mizzou? Clemson? Exc.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 1:00 pm to LukeSidewalker
Posted on 6/5/17 at 1:00 pm to LukeSidewalker
While the term "Louisiana Tigers" was originally used only by Wheat's Battalion, it was eventually applied to all CSA troops from Louisiana. Hence, "Louisiana Tigers" is indeed a title with links to the WBTS and Louisiana troops.
"The origin of the term came from the "Tiger Rifles," a volunteer company raised in the New Orleans area as part of Major Chatham Roberdeau Wheat's 1st Special Battalion, Louisiana Volunteer Infantry (2nd Louisiana Battalion). "A large number of the men were foreign-born, particularly Irish Americans, many from the city's wharves and docks. Many men had previous military experience in local militia units or as filibusters. They (and the regiments that later became known as the Tigers) were organized and trained at Camp Moore.
"One disgusted observer proclaimed that many of Wheat’s recruits were “the lowest scum of the lower Mississippi...adventurous wharf rats, thieves, and outcasts...and bad characters generally."
Nothing much has changed about New Orleans...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_Tigers.
Missouri WBTS troops nicknames had no links to the name "tigers." The Missouri troops were apparently sometimes nicknamed "the Owls." This is thought to have been a disparaging reference by other southern troops. "Taken by the owls" was a period expression referring to troops who deserted their command in the middle of the night.
Auburn "pussycats" nickname also had no links to the WBTS. Auburn adopted the "War Eagle" from ... get this ... a damn-yankee regiment, the 8th Wisconsin who burned and pillaged their way through Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama. Never understood why the Aubs did that except maybe to emphasize that Tuscaloosa and the U. of Alabama was burned by the Yankees and Auburn probably welcomed them.
"March 26, 1881), a bald eagle, was the mascot of the 8th Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry Regiment in the American Civil War. Later, his image was adopted as the eagle appearing on a globe in Case Corporation's logo and as the screaming eagle on the insignia of the U.S. Army's 101st Airborne Division."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Abe
"The origin of the term came from the "Tiger Rifles," a volunteer company raised in the New Orleans area as part of Major Chatham Roberdeau Wheat's 1st Special Battalion, Louisiana Volunteer Infantry (2nd Louisiana Battalion). "A large number of the men were foreign-born, particularly Irish Americans, many from the city's wharves and docks. Many men had previous military experience in local militia units or as filibusters. They (and the regiments that later became known as the Tigers) were organized and trained at Camp Moore.
"One disgusted observer proclaimed that many of Wheat’s recruits were “the lowest scum of the lower Mississippi...adventurous wharf rats, thieves, and outcasts...and bad characters generally."
Nothing much has changed about New Orleans...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_Tigers.
Missouri WBTS troops nicknames had no links to the name "tigers." The Missouri troops were apparently sometimes nicknamed "the Owls." This is thought to have been a disparaging reference by other southern troops. "Taken by the owls" was a period expression referring to troops who deserted their command in the middle of the night.
Auburn "pussycats" nickname also had no links to the WBTS. Auburn adopted the "War Eagle" from ... get this ... a damn-yankee regiment, the 8th Wisconsin who burned and pillaged their way through Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama. Never understood why the Aubs did that except maybe to emphasize that Tuscaloosa and the U. of Alabama was burned by the Yankees and Auburn probably welcomed them.
"March 26, 1881), a bald eagle, was the mascot of the 8th Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry Regiment in the American Civil War. Later, his image was adopted as the eagle appearing on a globe in Case Corporation's logo and as the screaming eagle on the insignia of the U.S. Army's 101st Airborne Division."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Abe
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 1:30 pm
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Posted on 6/5/17 at 1:01 pm to Jacknola
TLDR
Posted on 6/5/17 at 1:08 pm to Jacknola
Did you just link Wikipedia? 
Posted on 6/5/17 at 1:29 pm to Jacknola
So Auburn is actually not racist at all. I'll be damned.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:08 pm to Jacknola
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JacknolaSo is The Auburn mascot racist too? How about Mizzou? Clemson? Exc. by JacknolaWhile the term "Louisiana Tigers" was originally used only by Wheat's Battalion, it was eventually applied to all CSA troops from Louisiana. Hence, "Louisiana Tigers" is indeed a title with links to the WBTS and Louisiana troops.
Actually, the mascot name 'Tigers' had nothing whatsoever to do with the CSA Louisiana Tigers.
This is actually how the name came about:
Charles E. Coates, Jr., a Dean at LSU and the school's first football coach, noticed in the late 1890s that his school, unlike many others at the time, did not have a ferocious animal as its mascot, (as he related later in a letter written in 1937 during a retrospective interview relating what actually happened several years AFTER LSU chose their colors and played their first game in 1893.
He thought that LSU's colors of purple and gold (chosen in Feb. 1893) resembled the face of a tiger closely enough to use as the team's mascot, and ferocious enough to be en vogue with the times.
It had nothing to do with the Civil War or CSA or 'Louisiana Tigers.' People who 'associated' or later 'attributed' 'Tigers' to the civil war regiment were expressing an opinion, not fact. There is no written documentation at all that proclaims this as fact. It's total fabrication and opinion.
The 'Louisiana Tigers' was actually the name of SEVERAL La. military outfits in the early 1800s that fought in the Battle of New Orleans and the Spanish-American War, among others. The LSU mascot was """"""NOT"""""" NAMED AFTER the 'Louisiana Tigers' military unit that fought in Manassas,Va., or any other La. Military unit, as some people ERRONEOUSLY claim or propose. It was coincidence, and people who have written this inconclusive opinion are just fantasizing (quoted from Dan Hardesty - La. historian, author and journalist.)
MUCH MUCH later, it was the 1955 'fourth-quarter ball club' that coined the moniker 'Fighting Tigers.' The word 'fighting' was not added until NINETEEN FIFTY FIVE.
In addition, since the late 1890s, LSU has used the Tiger Emblem from the Washington Artillery - later the 141st Field Artillery - in existence since EIGHTEEN THIRTY EIGHT and that STLL EXISTS TO THIS DAY. Since 1838, the Washington Artillery has fought in numerous foreign wars defending America, including 1846 in the Mexican American war under General and future President of the United States Zachary Taylor. After earning the designation of 141st Field Arillery later, the unit mobilzed for World War II where it earned the Presidential Unit Citation, serving both in Europe and North Africa. Between 1959 and 1967 it was called the 141st Field Artllery Batallion, and in 2004 and 2005 and again in 2010 the 141st FA was mobilized to Baghdad, Iraq in Operation Iraqi Freedom. A detachment from this unit returned to New Orleans to assist in rescue efforts during and after Hurricane Katrina.....
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:11 pm to Jacknola
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Auburn adopted the "War Eagle" from ... get this ... a damn-yankee regiment, the 8th Wisconsin who burned and pillaged their way through Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama. Never understood why the Aubs did that except maybe to emphasize that Tuscaloosa and the U. of Alabama was burned by the Yankees and Auburn probably welcomed them.
"March 26, 1881), a bald eagle, was the mascot of the 8th Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry Regiment in the American Civil War. Later, his image was adopted as the eagle appearing on a globe in Case Corporation's logo and as the screaming eagle on the insignia of the U.S. Army's 101st Airborne Division."
you believe this? 
Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:52 pm to Jacknola
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While the term "Louisiana Tigers" was originally used only by Wheat's Battalion, it was eventually applied to all CSA troops from Louisiana. Hence, "Louisiana Tigers" is indeed a title with links to the WBTS and Louisiana troops.
So it is only racist if associated with schools from Louisiana...for instance, Grambling State.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 6:25 pm to Jacknola
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Auburn "pussycats" nickname also had no links to the WBTS. Auburn adopted the "War Eagle" from ... get this ... a damn-yankee regiment, the 8th Wisconsin who burned and pillaged their way through Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama. Never understood why the Aubs did that except maybe to emphasize that Tuscaloosa and the U. of Alabama was burned by the Yankees and Auburn probably welcomed them.
"March 26, 1881), a bald eagle, was the mascot of the 8th Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry Regiment in the American Civil War. Later, his image was adopted as the eagle appearing on a globe in Case Corporation's logo and as the screaming eagle on the insignia of the U.S. Army's 101st Airborne Division."
Wrong Gump.
"War Eagle" is Auburn's battle cry -- not a mascot or nickname. "War Eagle" has become a way for the Auburn family to greet and identify with each other all over the world. Anywhere you're wearing something with an Auburn logo on it, chances are you'll hear a friendly "War Eagle!"
The most popular story about the battle cry dates back to the first time Auburn met Georgia on the football field in 1892 and centers around a spectator who was a veteran of the Civil War. In the stands with him that day was an eagle the old soldier had found on a battlefield during the war. He had kept it as a pet for almost 30 years.
According to witnesses, the eagle suddenly broke free and began majestically circling the playing field. As the eagle soared, Auburn began a steady march toward the Georgia end zone for a thrilling victory. Elated at their team's play and taking the bird's presence as an omen of success, Auburn students and fans began to yell "War Eagle" to spur on their team. At the game's end, the eagle took a sudden dive, crashed into the ground, and died.
But the battle cry "War Eagle" lived on to become a symbol of the proud Auburn spirit."
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