re: Check in if you're ready for sumlin to go

10-win (or more) teams we have beaten under Sumlin:

2012 Alabama
2012 OU
2013 Duke

9-win teams we have beaten under Sumlin

2015 Miss. State

8-win teams we have beaten under Sumlin

2012 Miss. State
2013 Ole Miss
2014 Auburn
2015 Miss State
2016 Tennessee (current wins)
2016 Auburn (current wins)


10+ win teams we have lost to under Sumlin

2012 Florida
2012 LSU
2013 LSU
2013 Auburn
2013 Missouri
2013 Alabama
2014 Missouri
2014 Miss. State
2014 Alabama
2015 Alabama
2016 Alabama

9-win teams we have lost to under Sumlin
2014 Ole Miss
2014 LSU

8-win teams we have lost to under Sumlin

2014 LSU
2014 Louisville

7-win or less teams we have lost to under Sumlin:

2015 Auburn
2016 Miss. State
2016 Ole Miss



If a team is overall a 9-win team or less on the season, we will lose to that team 50% of the time. If you take JFF out of the equation, we will lose to a 9-win overall team 71% of the time.

If a team is overall a 10-win team or greater on the season, we will lost to that team 79% of the time. If you take JFF out of that equation, we will lose to a 10-win overall team 100% of the time.

Unacceptable if you ask me.

Even when the offense looked good, it was 100% explosive plays. To me the coach controls consistency and efficiency which we are not.

Trevor Knight, fresh Trayveon Williams, and Josh Reynolds accounted for any positive statistic working in Mazzone's favor.

Give me Kliff at OC when he gets fired but don't fire sumlin. This year we are likely playing at home on thanksgiving for a birth in the CFP if Trevor doesn't get injured

QB goes down. Backup can't get the first down. Depth.
DB goes down, gives up big play. Depth.
He's had 5 years to recruit and coach up SEC level depth. 5 years from now we're going to be making excuses about how we could have sniffed the Playoffs again this year if only _______.

Haha our starting qb gets injured, we lose the next two games by one score each and people call for the HCs job. Lol. We we didn't come out like we should have against MSU but we still win that game barring the injury.

Maybe it's because Knight looked like shite in the games before and we could have easily won the last three games if our defense was worth a shite.

Also, we have no running game any more and that happened before Knight's injury.

All of these things have nothing to do with knight's injury and are directly attributable to Sumlin's past two recruiting classes and his assistants and coordinators.

I'll be the first to say that after the Alabama loss, I believed we would get it together and we'd finish strong. Maybe we'd split the OM and LSU games and finish with 2 losses.

It isn't that we've lost two games with a backup QB. It's who we lost to and how we lost. Those are beatable teams. Sumlin came out and admitted this team lacks killer instinct. Who else is to blame for that. If you can't get your team, that's playing for a spot in the CFP, to line up to rip people's heads off, what can you motivate a team to reach for?

If we want to avg 8.5 wins, we're gravy. If we want to claim our place among the CFB elite, we have to ask ourselves if this is the right guy at the helm. My mind is made up. If he stays, I hope he proves me wrong.

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That shows we have a problem of depth and talent on the defense, which seems like a bigger problem than Sumlin.

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Not really, he is responsible for our recruiting.

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Not really, he is responsible for our recruiting.

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Kinda.

I mean he is the one who actually tries to sign the kids, but (metaphorical) we are all responsible for what the Texas A&M brand looks like to recruits. We created that corps block that looks on TV like we grow white skinheads the same way Nebraska grows corn. We decided to wrap our brand in the military and political conservatism even though neither are very appealing to the demographic that is best at football. We sucked for decades prior to Sumlin thereby giving him no history to sell like almost every other program we are competing with has.

Sumlin has fricked up some in recruiting (mostly with who he has hired and how he managed QBs last year), but really the only success he has had was when he created a new brand for us (as the hip and young swag team) that is 100% opposed to everything the engineers that run our ship have wanted to be seen as for decades. That shows us how fricked up our real brand is, because when Sumlin's smoke and mirrors brand fell apart so did our recruiting.

Hell, even when things were going perfectly our best class under Sumlin (which then means since 1991 or some shite like that) was barely top 5 in a SEC West division where three teams not including us had top 6 classes that year. To compete in this division we need 2014 to be an average year and a kind of year we have NEVER had in modern times (aka a top 3 class year) needs to be our up years.

I don't know if any coach that doesn't already have a national title (think Saban to Bama or Urban to tOSU) can recruit at that level here. Maybe what we want we simply can't have due to mistakes from our past.

Sometimes just throwing money at a problem when you can't fix the root cause just makes the problem worse. I am not saying Sumlin is the answer, I am just saying you can't pin all our problems on him.

They were having this discussion on other message boards.

1) There is only one coach in the SEC with 8+ wins per season since expansion...Nick Saban

2) There are only 13 coaches win a better winning % at Power 5 schools.
3 Urban Meyer Ohio State
6 Jimbo Fisher Florida State
7 Chris Petersen Washington
8 Bob Stoops Oklahoma
9 David Shaw Stanford
10 Nick Saban Alabama
12 Dabo Swinney Clemson
13 Gary Patterson TCU
15 Mark Richt Miami
16 Bobby Petrino Louisville
19 Jim Harbaugh Michigan
21 Guz Malzahn Auburn
22 Hugh Freeze Mississippi
24 Kevin Sumlin Texas A&M

3) Patterson probably falls off this list after his current 5-5 season. Hughe Freeze will likely have a "show cause" and have to vacate most of his wins.