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Grinch for DC?

Posted on 11/11/16 at 7:53 pm
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 11/11/16 at 7:53 pm
He's done a really good job at Wash St and has experience playing D opposite a hurry up offense.

With Cross seemingly gone, this may be a direction we look.

I remember when Pinkel hired Grinch and a lot of Mizzou fans were up in arms with claims of nepotism. Looks like he's a damn fine coach after all.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25492 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 7:55 pm to
He did a solid job of recruiting Georgia too. Those players haven't necessarily developed into much, but he did get a foot in the door down there. I wouldn't be shocked if Cross is gone but I'm not completely convinced yet that he is. Unless I missed something beyond Odom taking over more DC responsibilities.
Posted by wubilli
Columbia
Member since Apr 2014
5517 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 8:23 pm to
Grinch's next stop may be as a head coach, but if not I would take him.
Posted by navynuke
Member since Jun 2016
6521 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 8:51 pm to
Grinch is running a version of the 4-2-5 basing out of Cover 3.

They have a solid TO margin.
Posted by Zou brownmajic
Member since Sep 2013
3472 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 10:02 pm to
Odom hired Cross to run the gap control defense that he wanted to run and it didn't work, so that's on Odom. Now he's going back to the old defense that was more effective and familiar to these players. In my opinion he has thrown Cross under the bus. That's not cool!
Posted by navynuke
Member since Jun 2016
6521 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 11:26 pm to
It's not just the front that changed. They had to go back to Cover 2 in the secondary. He took over the defense after the change because they went back to all of the old terminology/signs and keys that Cross wasn't familiar with. Making coverage and front adjustments at game speed requires familiarity that Cross doesn't have.
Posted by Mizz-SEC
Inbred Huntin' In The SEC
Member since Jun 2013
22315 posts
Posted on 11/12/16 at 5:06 am to
quote:

It's not just the front that changed. They had to go back to Cover 2 in the secondary. He took over the defense after the change because they went back to all of the old terminology/signs and keys that Cross wasn't familiar with. Making coverage and front adjustments at game speed requires familiarity that Cross doesn't have.


But besides that he threw him under the bus, right?
Posted by navynuke
Member since Jun 2016
6521 posts
Posted on 11/12/16 at 7:16 am to
If Cross gets fired after the season, you can call it being thrown under the bus. It remains to be seen if that will happen. I like the secondary concepts that Cross brought with him and a move away from Cover 2 would be a plus IMO. I also think he has value in recruiting.

My gut feeling is that he stays.
This post was edited on 11/12/16 at 7:18 am
Posted by Mizzou59
Mid-MO
Member since May 2016
397 posts
Posted on 11/12/16 at 8:37 am to
That's a similar defensive scheme Steck had for us if I'm not mistaken. Kind of conservative, lots of Cover 3 and Tampa 2 on passing downs. I think that's the mentality that meshes well with the SEC offenses. Our new TCU scheme is designed to stop the pass first, run second. Five man fronts don't cut it against LSU, UGA, or any of those other teams. Gotta go C3 and get that 8-man front
Posted by navynuke
Member since Jun 2016
6521 posts
Posted on 11/12/16 at 9:17 am to
Steckel rarely, if ever, ran Cover 3 because the mismatches on the LBs. They ran Cover 0 and Cover/Tampa 2.
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
Member since Aug 2014
26773 posts
Posted on 11/12/16 at 10:48 am to
I am greatly saddened that no one has come out and said he'd be a good hire because he's a mean one. Or that his defense would steal games. The jokes are right there.

Joking aside for intents and purposes if you run a 4-3 defense in the modern SEC you are really running something like the 4-2-5 because almost everyone is running a version of the spread.

Florida might have been the first time all season that Arkansas was able to put three linebackers on the field for long periods of time this season. We only had to wait 9 games for that to happen.

If you are going to be running a de facto 4-2-5 all year it makes sense to hire a coach who specializes in it.
Posted by wubilli
Columbia
Member since Apr 2014
5517 posts
Posted on 11/12/16 at 11:19 am to
Mizzou has basically run a 4-2-5 the last couple of games. Moved a CB to LB
Posted by surgicalvenom
Omaha
Member since Jan 2014
6596 posts
Posted on 11/12/16 at 1:37 pm to
If Cross is gone, throw money at Randy Shannon. He will recruit Florida hard. His defenses are similar to the 2015 Mizzou scheme, so he could work well with BO. This program cannot get better without some solid help in recruiting.
Posted by MizzouTrue
Member since Jun 2016
4929 posts
Posted on 11/12/16 at 2:39 pm to
No Christmas for the offense!
Posted by Mizz-SEC
Inbred Huntin' In The SEC
Member since Jun 2013
22315 posts
Posted on 11/13/16 at 12:34 pm to
quote:

My gut feeling is that he stays.


I think he stays too. But until you explained it I assumed Odom was taking over the playcalling because he felt he had to as the architect of the new defense as opposed to trying to humiliate, embarrass or undermine Cross.

I wonder if Odom will stick with the old system or try to go back to the new one in 2017?
Posted by navynuke
Member since Jun 2016
6521 posts
Posted on 11/13/16 at 1:04 pm to
I'd be surprised if they went back to a two gap front. I don't think Odom changes the defense three weeks ago if he planned to stay with it.

I think they will change some things on the back end of the defense schematically. They had a better day vs Vandy but they have hovered around 40% on 3rd down conversions allowed historically.
Posted by surgicalvenom
Omaha
Member since Jan 2014
6596 posts
Posted on 11/13/16 at 1:14 pm to
Won't matter what scheme if he doesn't get some DLs and DEs recruited. The clock is ticking and there are none on the commit list. I believe the top JUCO guys have committed too. We are staring at the possibility of a front 4 talent gap.
Posted by wubilli
Columbia
Member since Apr 2014
5517 posts
Posted on 11/13/16 at 1:58 pm to
I think DE will be ok next year. DT needs some juco guys, unless Moore develops there.
Posted by navynuke
Member since Jun 2016
6521 posts
Posted on 11/13/16 at 2:46 pm to
They get Logan and Beckner back and I think Utsey and Jacobs will be good with another spring and summer of development.

Even if Harris decides to leave they get 5 scholarship DEs back.

I don't disagree that that recruits are needed but any DT they land in this class isn't likely to be an immediate contributor. Even if they land Graves I don't see him as a guy that is major contributor as a FR.
Posted by BurgTiger
Member since Feb 2014
3350 posts
Posted on 11/14/16 at 1:50 pm to
Tre Williams, Spencer Williams, Nate Howard, opposite Frazier, Josh Moore, Harold is a solid to plus 3 deep at DE.

Logan, TBJ, Holmes, Utsey, Jacobs is a solid 2 deep, but certainly not deep. I wouldn't be shocked if they move Moore back to DT and bump Baldwin or one of there bigger LBs to DE since they have some good looking LBs coming in. Agreed though 1-2 JUCO DTs would be great.
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