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re: Comparing the 2013 SEC coaching hires Bielema, Jones, & Gus.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 12:03 pm to BHMKyle
Posted on 7/12/16 at 12:03 pm to BHMKyle
All that typing and yet non-Arkansas fans in this thread and others recently would still take Bielema. Maybe if you type in all caps next time, you'll get your way.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 12:04 pm to gohogs141
So it's fair to say Toledo is better than arkansas last year?
Posted on 7/12/16 at 12:10 pm to gohogs141
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I wonder who the other loss was to
Not Toledo, Texas Tech, or Texas A&M
Again, most big name programs losing to all 3 of those in one season would be calling for their coach's head... not Arkansas. They are heaping praise on him.
You all can try to explain it to an outsider, but I'm just telling you it makes no sense.
Auburn fans are rightfully placing Gus on the hot seat. They expect more.
Tennessee fans were rightfully placing Butch on the hot seat until he turned them around and took them to a Top 25 finish. Now he's got them in most Preseason Top 10s
I'm at a loss for why Bert is not on the hot seat. He's 18-20 in three years, and while his 3rd year was his "best" yet, it still included losses to Toledo, Texas Tech, and Texas A&M. And Arkansas is not projected by anyone to fair any better next season.
If Gus finishes 6-6, there is an 80% chance he'll be fired.
If Butch finishes 6-6, there is a 50% chance he'll be fired.
If Bert finishes 6-6, there is a 0% chance he'll be fired.
Again, this is what is so baffling.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 12:14 pm to TheCheshireHog
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All that typing and yet non-Arkansas fans in this thread and others recently would still take Bielema.
And all these Arkansas fans trying to say Bert's situation was far worse than Gus' at the time of being hired, yet not one can explain how just one of the six most widely read preseason magazines back in 2013 projected Auburn to finish ahead of Arkansas in the standings.
I could care less who everyone else would pick as their head coach. None of the three are mine. But Arkansas fans are the most delusional bunch on this board. On one hand they are begging for everyone to include them into the "Big 6" but then everything they do proves they aren't worthy..... like heaping praise on a head coach who is sub .500 in three seasons.
This post was edited on 7/12/16 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 7/12/16 at 12:19 pm to BHMKyle
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yet not one can explain how just one of the six most widely read preseason magazines back in 2013 projected Auburn to finish ahead of Arkansas in the standings.
The same magazines that predicted Auburn to win 10+ games plus, win the sec and make the final four last year? Come on man that is a weak argument.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 12:23 pm to BHMKyle
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And all these Arkansas fans trying to say Bert's situation was far worse than Gus' at the time of being hired, yet not one can explain how just one of the six most widely read preseason magazines back in 2013 projected Auburn to finish ahead of Arkansas in the standings.
I'll just go back to page two to see what the other coaches in the SEC thought about the situation before 2013.
"They are going to be slim in a lot of spots. It’s going to take them three years to get a good foundation. It’s a product of bad recruiting — which is typical of a Bobby Petrino school. It’s the same thing that happened at Louisville that got Steve Kragthorpe fired. Petrino didn’t leave him any players"
Gus had coached in the SEC before, Bielema hadn't. Gus had recruited players for his system, Bielema was trying to implement a power run scheme with passing spread personnel.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 12:28 pm to rockiee
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The same magazines that predicted Auburn to win 10+ games plus, win the sec and make the final four last year? Come on man that is a weak argument.
No one is saying preseason magazines are accurate. But Arkansas fans are trying to paint a rosy situation in Auburn at the time Gus was hired when it was obviously NOT the case.
So a Hog fan can post anonymous quotes from coaches back in 2013 to describe the situation at the time (as the last post on page 2 of this thread did), but preseason magazine projections of that season are off the table for discussion?
Look its not a big deal. But both the situations at Auburn and Arkansas were bleak. Both were coming off horrific seasons the year before... Arkansas was 4-8, Auburn was 3-9. Both had new coaches. Both were putting in a new offensive system totally different that the one used the year before. Both had new Quarterbacks.
Gus took a former wide receiver and put him in at quarterback and coached Auburn to a National Title Game.
Bert went 3-9.
I can see why Arkansas fans don't want to factor in Season 1 into the equation, but the bottom line is that Gus has been far more successful in three seasons.
Rewriting history in order to pretend that Gus entered into some grand situation that would have been any coaches dream as one poster suggested is a complete fabrication to try to make Bert look better and Gus look worse. You can't rewrite history like that though.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 12:33 pm to BHMKyle
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No one is saying preseason magazines are accurate.
Then don't bring it up if that is the case
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But Arkansas fans are trying to paint a rosy situation in Auburn at the time Gus was hired when it was obviously NOT the case.
You are exaggerating, I have seen one Arkansas fan try to "paint a rosy situation". You are using one person to stereotype all the Arkansas posters in this thread. They are just providing reasons for why it wasn't as bad as Arkansas' situation.
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I can see why Arkansas fans don't want to factor in Season 1 into the equation, but the bottom line is that Gus has been far more successful in three seasons.
Eh, I don't believe it has anything to do with not factoring in Season 1 but more to do with trends. I can easily agree that Gus has had more success, that really isn't debatable in my eyes. That doesn't mean it will continue and facts have shown that to this point.
This post was edited on 7/12/16 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 7/12/16 at 1:37 pm to rockiee
The same reason Bert went 0-8 in the SEC is the same reason Chizik got fired. The problem with auburn that season before Gus wasn't talent or being a dumpster fire , it was a change of scheme. Gus came in and went right back to the old offense and was unsurprisingly successful. Bert continued on the change and has improved significantly every year
This post was edited on 7/12/16 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 7/12/16 at 1:39 pm to lefty08
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The same reason Bert went 0-8 in the SEC is the same reason Chizik got fired. The problem with auburn that season before Gus wasn't talent or being a dumpster fire , it was a change of scheme. Gus came in and went right back to the old offense and was unsurprisingly successful. Bert continued on the change and has improved significantly every year
True, no one has even gotten into the fact one with through a scheme overhaul after many years of a pass first offense.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 1:41 pm to rockiee
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I can easily agree that Gus has had more success, that really isn't debatable in my eyes. That doesn't mean it will continue and facts have shown that to this point.
Finally a somewhat logical opinion from an Arkansas fan.
The problem with "trends" is it punishes Gus for having a great season in the first place while simultaneously making Bert look great because he improved upon a lowly 3-9 first season.
Again, take away both of those seasons and both Auburn and Arkansas are 15-11 the past two years.
Last season Arkansas was 8-5 and Auburn was 7-6. The two teams played in Fayetteville and Arkansas won in four overtimes. A single bounce of the ball would have reversed those two records.
Based on that, I don't think any reasonable person should therefore proclaim so called obvious "trends" of Bert's upward movement and Gus' decline.
If Arkansas wins 9 or 10 games in 2016 while Gus drops down to 5 or 6 wins.... then yes, I think its time to declare there is an obvious trend. But right now, its way too early to declare a trend that is based upon a 4OT game that could have easily gone either way.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 1:43 pm to lefty08
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Gus came in and went right back to the old offense and was unsurprisingly successful.
Here is another Arkansas fan trying to paint a rosy picture of Auburn's situation at the time of Gus' hire. So it was "unsurprising" that Auburn was successful and won the SEC in 2013? I hope you put money on that in Vegas, because you could have made a fortune.
No one expected much of Auburn in 2013. No one. They had a converted WR starting at QB for goodness sake.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 1:47 pm to BHMKyle
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Finally a somewhat logical opinion from an Arkansas fan.
There are plenty from other posters but for some reason you refuse to look at them.
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The problem with "trends" is it punishes Gus for having a great season in the first place while simultaneously making Bert look great because he improved upon a lowly 3-9 first season.
I would agree if there was just two seasons to judge.
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But right now, its way too early to declare a trend that is based upon a 4OT game that could have easily gone either way.
You think one head to head game is a good judge of the direction for each school? You can't be serious?
Posted on 7/12/16 at 1:54 pm to BHMKyle
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BHMKyle
on queue
it's sad at this point
Posted on 7/12/16 at 1:55 pm to BHMKyle
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BHMKyle
I have never in my life seen a Dawg knight for Auburn like this fellow.
Aubs don't even give a shite about defending their own coach, but Kyle will type a journal.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 1:57 pm to RT1941
Not sifting through 4 pages to find out whether it's already been pointed out Stoops was also part of that class. No I don't give a flip if you wouldn't pick him but at least have the courtesy to include him you sonofabitch.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 1:57 pm to rockiee
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I would agree if there was just two seasons to judge.
So Bert going from 7 to 8 wins and Gus going from 8-7 wins is supposed to be some gigantic trend that proves one of them is better than the other? You've dug quite a hole for your program... because if Bert slips back to even 7 wins next year you're going to have to therefore say he's on a downward trend that apparently has gigantic meaning.
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You think one head to head game is a good judge of the direction for each school?
No, but you do. And apparently all Arkansas fans do. You are arguing that because Arkansas beat Auburn at home in 4OT which resulted in them "improving" from 7 to 8 wins, Bert is now skyrocketing upwards while Gus is plummeting downwards due to the ball bouncing the other way.
That's my entire point. Had one play gone differently last season, both programs would be flat over two seasons: Auburn at 8 wins for two years in a row and Arkansas at 7 wins for two years in a row. But apparently because the ball bounced Arkansas' way one more time on their home field, its proof that the trend is alive and very real.
You all better hope Bert makes it to at least 8 wins in 2016, because you are all basing quite a bit of importance on "trends" involving even a one game move in a certain direction. If Bert's upward trend is as impressive as you all say it is because he took Arkansas up to 8 wins from 7 the year before, then you're going to have to take a lot of heat if it goes back the other direction next year.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 1:57 pm to RT1941
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I have never in my life seen a Dawg knight for Auburn like this fellow.
Aubs don't even give a shite about defending their own coach, but Kyle will type a journal.
I don't think it has as much to do with defending Auburn as hating on Arkansas. I don't know why though. Have never seen a Georgia care either way about Arkansas. Maybe the Chaney threads got to him.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 1:58 pm to BHMKyle
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No, but you do. And apparently all Arkansas fans do. You are arguing that because Arkansas beat Auburn at home in 4OT which resulted in them "improving" from 7 to 8 wins,
Show me where I did that
Stop making shite up
Posted on 7/12/16 at 2:04 pm to AU24
Lets see here
Gus: High school offense that is dying
Butch: 4th quarter choker
Bret: fat mediocre coach
I guess I would go with Bert because he at least proved he could win in a big time conference. Don't like any of those choices though.
Gus: High school offense that is dying
Butch: 4th quarter choker
Bret: fat mediocre coach
I guess I would go with Bert because he at least proved he could win in a big time conference. Don't like any of those choices though.
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