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Posted on 5/20/16 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 5/20/16 at 12:12 pm
We have to come to the realization that CGM's offense is truly effective (and almost only effective) with a true duel threat QB. I know we (myself included) have made arguments that we can make this work with a pocket passer and we are only kidding ourselves. But his Tulsa team...don't care, weaker conference and athletes. But Chris Todd...we didn't win. But he is an offensive guru...sure, with the proper DT quarterback.
Watch the game, or the highlights, and you will see what his offense can be with a true DT quarterback. Every thing opens up. The play book, the running lanes, the receivers...all of it. It is high time we realize this. I see another so/so year with a QB that cannot make the defense commit to the zone read or at the very least move the pocket. It is what it is.
Watch the game, or the highlights, and you will see what his offense can be with a true DT quarterback. Every thing opens up. The play book, the running lanes, the receivers...all of it. It is high time we realize this. I see another so/so year with a QB that cannot make the defense commit to the zone read or at the very least move the pocket. It is what it is.
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Posted on 5/20/16 at 12:13 pm to threedog79
1 major problem....we don't have Nick Marshall. JF3 isn't even remotely on NM's level right now, as a passer....which is an indictment in and of itself.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 12:26 pm to threedog79
Watching Marshall run that offense was a thing of beauty.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 12:43 pm to threedog79
We've barely even tried running CGM's offense with an actual pocket QB.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 1:30 pm to threedog79
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We have to come to the realization that CGM's offense is truly effective (and almost only effective) with a true good offensive line. I know we (myself included) have made arguments that we can make this work with a bad oline and we are only kidding ourselves. But his Tulsa team...don't care, weaker conference and athletes. But Chad Slade...we didn't win. But he is an offensive guru...sure, with the proper oline.
Watch the game, or the highlights, and you will see what his offense can be with a true good oline. Every thing opens up. The play book, the running lanes, the receivers...all of it. It is high time we realize this. I see another so/so year with an oline that cannot make the defense commit to the zone read or at the very least move the pocket. It is what it is.
I FIFY. The biggest issue between 2013 and 2014 was the line play. shite saban teams aren't worth a hill of beans until he gets a dominant oline in.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 1:42 pm to threedog79
We discussed this back in January and I unfortunately still believe that the data says Gus is not a great passing coach.
"Analysis of Gus as a passing coach
Posted online on 1/15/16 at 3:17 pm
The data shows that Gus is not going to win a ton of awards as a passing-focused coach per info below that I pulled directly from recent AL.com article. And yes, because i'm an SEC homer and don't believe Tulsa or Arky St. are about sh&t...I left those years off.
What you'll see is that 4 out the 7 years that Gus has been in the SEC, his offenses were not in the top 100 in the country in passing. His best passing team ever was Chris Todd year at #56.
The Gus system only really works with a legit dual-threat QB.
Malzahn's offenses
2015 (Auburn)
Scoring offense: 27.2 ppg (78th nationally)
Rushing offense: 191.8 ypg (42nd)
Passing offense: 175.6 ypg (108th)
Total offense: 367.3 ypg (96th)
2014 (Auburn)
Scoring offense: 35.5 ppg (27th)
Rushing offense: 255.5 ypg (14th)
Passing offense: 229.5 ypg (67th)
Total offense: 485 ypg (17th)
2013 (Auburn)
Scoring offense: 39.5 ppg (12th)
Rushing offense: 325.4 ypg (1st)
Passing offense: 173 ypg (108th)
Total offense: 501.3 (11th)
2011 (Auburn)
Scoring offense: 25.7 ppg (70th)
Rushing offense: 182.3 ypg (31st)
Passing offense: 155.5 ypg (105th)
Total offense: 337.8 ypg (100th)
2010 (Auburn)
Scoring offense: 41.2 ppg (7th)
Rushing offense: 284.8 ypg (5th)
Passing offense: 214.4 ypg (66th)
Total offense: 499.2 ypg (7th)
2009 (Auburn)
Scoring offense: 33.3 ppg (17th)
Rushing offense: 212 ypg (13th)
Passing offense: 219.8 ypg (56th)
Total offense: 431.8 ypg (16th)
2006 (Arkansas)
Scoring offense: 28.9 ppg (31st)
Rushing offense: 228.5 ypg (4th)
Passing offense: 149.5 ypg (108th)
Total offense: 378 ypg (29th)
"Analysis of Gus as a passing coach
Posted online on 1/15/16 at 3:17 pm
The data shows that Gus is not going to win a ton of awards as a passing-focused coach per info below that I pulled directly from recent AL.com article. And yes, because i'm an SEC homer and don't believe Tulsa or Arky St. are about sh&t...I left those years off.
What you'll see is that 4 out the 7 years that Gus has been in the SEC, his offenses were not in the top 100 in the country in passing. His best passing team ever was Chris Todd year at #56.
The Gus system only really works with a legit dual-threat QB.
Malzahn's offenses
2015 (Auburn)
Scoring offense: 27.2 ppg (78th nationally)
Rushing offense: 191.8 ypg (42nd)
Passing offense: 175.6 ypg (108th)
Total offense: 367.3 ypg (96th)
2014 (Auburn)
Scoring offense: 35.5 ppg (27th)
Rushing offense: 255.5 ypg (14th)
Passing offense: 229.5 ypg (67th)
Total offense: 485 ypg (17th)
2013 (Auburn)
Scoring offense: 39.5 ppg (12th)
Rushing offense: 325.4 ypg (1st)
Passing offense: 173 ypg (108th)
Total offense: 501.3 (11th)
2011 (Auburn)
Scoring offense: 25.7 ppg (70th)
Rushing offense: 182.3 ypg (31st)
Passing offense: 155.5 ypg (105th)
Total offense: 337.8 ypg (100th)
2010 (Auburn)
Scoring offense: 41.2 ppg (7th)
Rushing offense: 284.8 ypg (5th)
Passing offense: 214.4 ypg (66th)
Total offense: 499.2 ypg (7th)
2009 (Auburn)
Scoring offense: 33.3 ppg (17th)
Rushing offense: 212 ypg (13th)
Passing offense: 219.8 ypg (56th)
Total offense: 431.8 ypg (16th)
2006 (Arkansas)
Scoring offense: 28.9 ppg (31st)
Rushing offense: 228.5 ypg (4th)
Passing offense: 149.5 ypg (108th)
Total offense: 378 ypg (29th)
Posted on 5/20/16 at 1:48 pm to threedog79
What good pocket passers has he had at Auburn? He's had two elite dual threats, it would work with a very good passer.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 2:32 pm to threedog79
Ahhhhh, the good ol' days when some Auburn fans were calling for Nick Marshall to be benched in order to start Jeremy Johnson.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 4:13 pm to threedog79
Welcome to the reality club, you're late but we welcome you with open arms.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 5:58 pm to threedog79
I thought we all realized Gus's offense wasn't worth a shite without a running QB a long time ago?
Posted on 5/20/16 at 8:48 pm to threedog79
So, is this thread an admission that tRant was right about Gustav, and his high-school gimmick offense that only worked when he managed to pluck some troubled but highly athletic QB out of JUCO? 
Posted on 5/21/16 at 6:41 am to threedog79
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We have to come to the realization that CGM's offense is truly effective (and almost only effective) with a true duel threat QB.
I went back and watched a few of Cam and Nick's games. I didn't see any "duel threats" ever. Is it more subtle and I missing it? Like do they whisper "pistols at 20 paces!" to defenders? Has there ever been an actual QB in Gus's offense that has dueled and why do you think the threat of a duel is what helps the offense run more effectively? Head games with the D? Are duels big with the youths these days? I thought they were only in the history books.
That's all I've got, carry on.
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