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re: Does Calipari deserve National Coach of the Year?
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:18 am to Pettifogger
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:18 am to Pettifogger
quote:Right. That is why Tubby and Gilespi were able to do so well at UK........
I think both Cal and Saban are excellent coaches. But, it's undeniable that media + the stature of the school played huge into both being able to recruit the way they do. Take it away and they're still great, but Saban had plenty of peers before he was combined with Alabama and ESPN started doing his recruiting for him. Same goes for Cal. Now, as a result, those guys have few if any peers.
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:21 am to lsupride87
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Right. That is why Tubby and Gilespi were able to do so well at UK........
The fact that Tubby won a title and made 3 elite 8s at UK is pretty telling. This is why I hate these discussions, everyone is so knee jerk. I'm not discrediting Saban or Cal. I'm discussing the realities of modern coaching.
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 9:22 am
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:22 am to Pettifogger
quote:Part of modern coaching is being able to recruit the elite talent. That is 50% of it. But for whatever reason, people only want to focus on the Xs and Os and act like the recruiting doesnt matter in terms of discussing coaches
I'm discussing the realities of modern coaching.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:23 am to gumbeaux
if i say 'yes' then does he move on to the nba? if so, i'm in. 
eta: dang whoever likes to stalk my posts and downvote me is super fast!
eta: dang whoever likes to stalk my posts and downvote me is super fast!
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 9:26 am
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:24 am to lsupride87
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Part of modern coaching is being able to recruit the elite talent. That is 50% of it. But for whatever reason, people only want to focus on the Xs and Os and act like the recruiting doesnt matter in terms of discussing coaches
Dude. I agree. So is fostering media hype and picking the right school to coach at. I'm saying all of that goes into being a modern coach. But if criteria for coaching awards pertains more to recruiting, prep and tactics, then people like Cal and Saban have a lot more competition in the latter categories.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:26 am to Pettifogger
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The fact that Tubby won a title and made 3 elite 8s at UK is pretty telling.
He made multiple Sweet 16s between Georgia and Tulsa. Sometimes a good coach is just a good coach.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:28 am to BluegrassBelle
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He made multiple Sweet 16s between Georgia and Tulsa. Sometimes a good coach is just a good coach.
Always struck me as a very good coach who just didn't have the desire/energy to maintain an elite program at an elite level.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:30 am to Pettifogger
I think it's a mixture of everything - you absolutely have to start off with top talent - then hire people that know how to develope that talent, create a scheme that showcases the talent - win like crazy and BAM! the program sells itself, the media jumps on the hot product and recruiting becomes easier.
Do this shite consistantly, keep stability in your program and you will achieve hatred at a level never seen before from your peers. When your rivals call you Satan - that's a level of hatred like no other.
Do this shite consistantly, keep stability in your program and you will achieve hatred at a level never seen before from your peers. When your rivals call you Satan - that's a level of hatred like no other.
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 9:33 am
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:34 am to RT1941
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I think it's a mixture of everything - you absolutely have to start off with top talent - then hire people that know how to develope that talent, create a scheme that showcases the talent - win like crazy and BAM! the program sells itself, the media jumps on the hot product and recruiting becomes easier.
Do this shite consistantly, keep stability in your program and you will achieve hatred at a level never seen before from your peers.
It becomes sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Not to say it's on auto pilot, but it probably could be for a season or two prior to crashing down.
The only downside, as Bama fans know, is the expectations. You lose 2 games and the talk starts. Lose 3 or 4 and what happens? A bunch of kids with no framework for struggling can cause issues (and probably for coaches used to dominating too).
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:35 am to gumbeaux
If this award is given before the championship game, Mike Brey probably deserves it. If its given after and Cal does finish off the undefeated season, no way in hell he shouldn't win it. Would be a travesty if the first coach to go undefeated in 40 years didn't win.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:36 am to Pettifogger
Well his issue was he didn't want to deal with the AAU circuit and it bit him in the arse. Still a great X's and O's guy.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:41 am to lsupride87
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took UK to the wire with a handful of white boys and about 7 less players.
So is creating the team not part of a coaches job as well? I didnt realize coaches show up on game 1 with their teams picked for them by a third party. Interesting
ND does things a little different than UK. I'm just saying if Cal doesn't get it it should be Brey. And imo Brey's run was more impressive given the university dynamics he deals with.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:42 am to Pettifogger
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I think it's a mixture of everything - you absolutely have to start off with top talent - then hire people that know how to develope that talent, create a scheme that showcases the talent - win like crazy and BAM! the program sells itself, the media jumps on the hot product and recruiting becomes easier. Do this shite consistantly, keep stability in your program and you will achieve hatred at a level never seen before from your peers.
quote:I've said a hundred times, the mental part of coaching is more important than the physical. All SEC caliber players are big, strong, fast and highly talented. It's what a coach can do to mold their brain and adjust their attitude to field a strong competitor.
It becomes sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Not to say it's on auto pilot, but it probably could be for a season or two prior to crashing down. The only downside, as Bama fans know, is the expectations. You lose 2 games and the talk starts. Lose 3 or 4 and what happens? A bunch of kids with no framework for struggling can cause issues (and probably for coaches used to dominating too).
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:43 am to WorkinDawg
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ND does things a little different than UK. I'm just saying if Cal doesn't get it it should be Brey. And imo Brey's run was more impressive given the university dynamics he deals with.
My counter to that is at ND in basketball there's a lot less outside "chatter" around the program. It's not easy to play in the fishbowl at UK with the media, the fans, and the expectations. It takes a good coach to be able to keep them from running off the rails with all of that going on.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:49 am to gumbeaux
There is no doubt he deserves it. I don't care how many 5*'s you get, it's damn near impossible to go undefeated. The fact that he's been able to tells me he's not only a good recruiter but a damn good coach too.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:50 am to gumbeaux
If he finishes off a undefeated national title it would be criminal not to give it to him.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:50 am to BluegrassBelle
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My counter to that is at ND in basketball there's a lot less outside "chatter" around the program. It's not easy to play in the fishbowl at UK with the media, the fans, and the expectations. It takes a good coach to be able to keep them from running off the rails with all of that going on.
Meh, I'd much rather deal with keeping my freakishly good players away from my rabid fan base then deal with the fact that I can't offer 75% of the McD's All Americans.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:53 am to gumbeaux
Bruce Pearl did make it to the Semifinals of the SEC tournament. That should be considered in the final determination.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:57 am to Aman
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Bruce Pearl did make it to the Semifinals of the SEC tournament. That should be considered in the final determination.
And after a shatty season he hijacked the SEC tournament and made it all about him. Still scratching my head at the media access he received.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 10:20 am to BluegrassBelle
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The "he can't coach" argument has to be one of the dumbest ones out there. There's as much coaching in getting top guys to put aside the egos and buy into your system as there is coaching up lesser talent.
This statement is freakin hilarious. So you think getting 7 or 8 All American future NBA players to leave their egos in the locker room is equal to a coach putting the X's & O's in place to put 7 or 8 student athletes in position to compete at the same level??? You can't be serious.
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