re: I Stand in Awe of Arkansas' Legislators

So baking cakes, catering, etc is now equal to a mass killing...interesting

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You brought the case up, not me.

I have a strong opinion because I'm a Christian, which is obviously a problem for you as you seem to get defensive very quickly on any subject pertaining to Christianity and someone defending it.

I don't care what case it may be, someone should not be forced to cater an event or bake a cake, or whatever, if it's against what they beleive.

I wouldnt expect Ricks Bakery to bake a dozen cupcakes with dicks on them, just as the wouldn't expect a muslim eatery to smoke a pork butt for me.

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The difference in these hypotheticals and the case in Colorado and other places is that in the Colorado bakery, they offer wedding cakes to their customers. Rick's Bakery may not offer dick cupcakes at all, but if he did he probably wouldn't refuse them to only certain people. He'd probably make them for anyone. If he refused to make dick cupcakes for anyone, he'd be within his rights to do so. He wouldn't be picking and choosing which customers he serves that product, so there would be no argument for discrimination.

Muslim eateries don't offer pork at all, so obviously it's not discrimination for them to refuse to serve pork. They simply don't offer pork. Of course you wouldn't expect them to offer it.

In the Colorado bakery case, the bakery routinely made wedding cakes. He refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple. That's discrimination according to Colorado law, and consequently the bakery lost the case. They tried using the religious freedom defense and the freedom of speech defense, and the judge found both of them to fail when the facts of the case and the applicable law were considered.

You aren't comparing apples to apples.

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You aren't comparing apples to apples.

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It's all relative, right?

The pizzeria in Indiana referenced in this thread was also based on a hypothetical...it was a question asked to the owner..the situation never even played out. It was made up, yet a small minority decided it deserved death threats and arson threats. Makes sense, right? Fortunately, many people stood behind the owners and now they have nearly $900k in donations and the arson threat author on Twitter is without a job, and justly so.

I'm going to find a Muslim bakery to make a Christian wedding cake and deliver it to me on Sunday evening. How would that work out for me?

It's not going to necessarily be a Christian cake, but just a normal wedding cake. I'm just going to need it delivered to the church on Sunday at 3:00 pm. If it doesn't happen, I'm going to every news outlet and screaming discrimination.

Sounds pretty stupid, eh?

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It's all relative, right?

The pizzeria in Indiana referenced in this thread was also based on a hypothetical...it was a question asked to the owner..the situation never even played out. It was made up, yet a small minority decided it deserved death threats and arson threats. Makes sense, right?

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No, it makes absolutely no sense to send death threats. That's reprehensible and untenable behavior. It's a good thing it's a small minority.

If you'll remember from a page ago, I posted a link to conservatives sending threats to a bakery who wouldn't write "We do not support gay marriage". Unfortunately this behavior is all too common and it goes both ways.

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Fortunately, many people stood behind the owners and now they have nearly $900k in donations and the arson threat author on Twitter is without a job, and justly so.

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Cool story bro. It's really not relevant to whether discrimination against gay people is legally justifiable.

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I'm going to find a Muslim bakery to make a Christian wedding cake and deliver it to me on Sunday evening. How would that work out for me?

It's not going to necessarily be a Christian cake, but just a normal wedding cake. I'm just going to need it delivered to the church on Sunday at 3:00 pm. If it doesn't happen, I'm going to every news outlet and screaming discrimination.

Sounds pretty stupid, eh?

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Yes, this does sound stupid, because I'm willing to bet that most Muslim bakeries in the United States would have no problem baking you a cake for a Christian wedding. I think you're showing how out of touch you are. I live in a heavily immigrant neighborhood and there are Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, and Buddhists (and probably others). We get along fine and people don't refuse each other service because they belong to another religion.

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Let's change this up just a little...

You are a baker. A skinhead comes in and wants you to decorate a cake for a rally they are having. He wants a swastika on it. Or a big KKK. Being a skinhead in itself is not illegal. Being in the KKK in itself is not illegal. Decorating the cake with said symbols is not illegal.

Would you decorate it for them?

(and before you start with the obvious - I am not comparing being gay to being a skinhead, but the moral conflict is the same for different people.)

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I wouldn't think you were comparing gays to skinheads, but I suppose I understand your reason for being careful about that.

I would decline to provide a cake decorated in such a way. I would provide a more generic cake, but not one with hate speech included on it. I doubt I'd run into much legal trouble because being a member of a hate group is not a protected class.

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to try and "show those Christians"

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And that is the goal of many groups these days.
I am a Christian (that doesn't mean I am perfect, just forgiven) and am well aware that we were warned nearly 2000 years ago that we would be persecuted.

But, we need to hold strong to our faith, do our best to live as Jesus would have us to do. That includes standing by our beliefs in the face of all attacks.

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But, we need to hold strong to our faith, do our best to live as Jesus would have us to do. That includes standing by our beliefs in the face of all attacks.

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As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.

Do you know who said that? I'll let you google it and think long and hard about that archaic shite you just spewed.

1. The money that was raised. That amount of money wasn't raised by all of the good people of the nation showing the world how much christians support them and are "right" and "fighting back". The fundraiser was set up by TheBlaze-Glenn Beck's network and Lawrence Jones just happens to be a contributor.

2. I'm sure it's been said 1 million times over in this thread, but you can NOT use religion to justify hate. That is not religious freedom. Too many people live in their little world where they are the majority and have little to no exposure to the rest of the world. Just because you, the majority in your state/region/whatever, do not understand differences (and you don't-or you wouldn't be standing behind your religious vail to justify ignorance) beyond your own beliefs, does not mean you can't learn to respect those who are not like you.

Let me tell you something. I live in a community here in Plano (if you know the area, you know I'm not talking out of my arse) that has a HEAVY concentration of Indians, Pakistanis, and Chinese. My daughter is the minority in her class. Guess what? One of her best friends is muslim and the other two are hindi. My community is based on diversity and respect. That includes gays too. You know what happens when you live somewhere with this type of diversity? You do business with other religions, gays, transgenders, atheists...anyone. Why? Because if you don't-your business dies. That is possibly the shittiest way to try and run a business. Good luck expanding your business beyond your county line. Not gonna happen. My sister in law is a lesbian, my friend back home is and my friend in nebraska is. I say the above to show how my kids and the kids where I live are growing up with more respect, intelligence and maturity than a collective amount of adults in entire states.

What if Hobby Lobby decides it no longer will sell their cheap mobile home crap to gays or anyone that doesn't fall in line with standard christian beliefs? It's the same isn't it? How is that any different? Do you think they would? Of course they wouldn't because that would be suicide, but I'm guessing some of you believe they would be in the right to do so simply because of "freedom of religion".

Oh, and gay people aren't pushing their beliefs on you. You telling them they aren't welcome in your place of business b/c of your beliefs, though? It's the other way around. You're pushing your beliefs on them. In the form of hate, no less.

Is it football season yet??

And UK lost

And UK lost

At least I haven't burned a lawn chair in my life.

A Muslim would make the cake because it is greatly encouraged to trade and make money, in their religious text, which was written by a merchant.

In Christianity you have being poor and persecuted glorified in the texts written by anonymous authors and amended by others at later dates and assembled by others at an even later date leaving out texts (while likely adding in texts as well).

This is the main reason why Jesus goes from being a small child to a 30 year old man with no mention of the years in between, probably because he was quite the prankster during his teenage years, according to those texts.

Same with how the Jews go to being vilified for the crusification in one book, a book that is believed to have been written nearly a century after the events occurred.