re: I Stand in Awe of Arkansas' Legislators

If you think that's race baiting you might want to look up what race baiting actually means.

Eta: would you deny service to a prostitute?

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People are still debating this?

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Yeah, and for good reason.

There are some, I believe who are born liking the same sex for whatever reason. Or grow to like it at a young age.

There are others, like my cousins wife (both females) who was married for years to a man, had kids, etc.... and then whos husband cheated on her, and she decided frick men, im going to women. And then hooked up with my cousin.

It happens, if you think every gay person was just born gay, your a bigger fricking moron than Rick Santorum.

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Yeah, and for good reason.

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no, nutjob, anti-science neocons believe that every homosexual on earth made a choice, i guess because of god blah blah. that is not a good reason for debate.

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It happens, if you think every gay person was just born gay, your a bigger fricking moron than Rick Santorum.

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just because sexuality is on a sliding scale doesnt mean everyone has the disposition to suddenly "turn" guy as events unfold. some do, who had never in their life previously had any kind of bi-sexual proclivity, but that is an incredibly small % of an already low % society, but is trying to be used by conservatives as some sort of "gotcha."

and if a traumatic experience re-wired someones sexuality, why should it matter anyway? that is enough to treat them as a second-rate citizens?

I am a straight man, I'm tall and of an athletic build. I find short modestly curvy women attractive, my wife is short and modestly curvy. I'm about 13 inches taller than her an out weight her by about a hundred pounds, we make interesting pictures and two beautiful children. It is odd that no one has ever questioned my attraction.

A friend of mine is a bit shorter that average but is married to a girl who played volleyball in college and is at least 8 inches taller than him (and could probably hurt him severely if push came to literal shove). No one ever asks why he was attracted to her.

Two odd couples, but no questions. A man finds another man attractive and not only is he ostracized in the majority of places, but they are denied the ability to make a public commitment to be with that person for life in most states. Many states are trying their hardest to make their tough life just that little bit harder, yet it is being done in the name of a religion that is based around the tenet of not judging the sins of others in a country where many sins are almost celebrated.

Interesting. As Gandhi said "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.

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What kind of question is that?

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I'm asking if you would side with a Christian business that denied service to prostitutes.

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Found this interesting

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I'm still waiting for someone on the "other" side to actually address any of the incidents as they actually happened in real life, without making up shite that didn't happen and attacking a straw man version of events.

For instance, in the Colorado bakery case, the baker refused to bake a cake as soon as he found out it was for a ceremony for a gay couple. There was never any request for any specific decorations or messages to be written on the cake. The baker didn't care at all about any decorations or message. He simply refused to bake the couple a cake that would be eaten at their ceremony.

If you read the judge's decision, you'll see how he reasons that the baker's arguments that he had a right to refuse were incorrect. In other words, when you look at the facts and how the law of the land applies to those facts, you see that it's quite clear that the baker was in the wrong, and that his right to freedom of speech and right to freedom of religion were not applicable in this case. Obviously he still has those rights, but they just weren't germane.

I'm getting really tired of the endless straw-manning from conservatives on this issue. It's psychologically painful to see how uniformly misinformed they are about what happened and why the judge ruled the way he did.

If anyone would like to read the decision, here it is: LINK

edit: had to edit one of my sentences because it was misleading

That's a stupid basis for a question.

If there were any type of prostitution "party" planned, name me one entity that would want to be grouped with them?

McDonalds wouldn't even cater to them.

Yet, you probably know that by asking such a stupid question. Right?

And again, I'll state just as I did in a previous post...

I am not against gays wanting to be legally bonded in marriage or unions, etc. I understand that couples who stay together throughout life, deserve to reap the benefits the other has when they pass, or when a divorce happens, etc. A gay person(woman or man)has no legal rights to any benefits of their partner. That's sad IMO. It should change for health insurances, etc as well.

Being a Christian business owner doesn't mean I turn away gay people. Now, I will not, and my businesses will not take part in a celebration of homosexuality. Just as, I don't expect an atheist owned business to cater to anything I may need on a celebratory level. I also wouldn't expect a Muslim owned ranch/bed and breakfast/etc to be okay hosting a Christian revival or what not.

Maybe my thought process and belief process labels me as a discriminatory person. I don't know. I feel I am pretty open about much that's changing in the world we live in. There is a line I'll draw when it comes to my beliefs.

Then what are you asking Stone?

Do you even know what you're asking?

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So, it sounds like the gay couple hid they were gay when they ordered said cake?

I'll admit to you, I've not read on the story you speak of...that's just what I gather from your post.

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See, this is what I mean. You have such a strong opinion about the right of bakers to refuse service to gay couples, but you don't understand the facts of the cases that brought this issue so prominently into public view.

No, the couple did not hide that they were gay. When they specified that the cake would be for "our wedding" (referring to the same-sex couple), the baker refused to bake them the cake. There was never a discussion of what the cake would look like.

Since your guesses about the facts of the case have proven to be inaccurate, you should probably just read the decision if you want to talk about the case. You're going to be shooting in the dark otherwise.