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Composite team rankings are a joke
Posted on 2/5/15 at 7:39 am
Posted on 2/5/15 at 7:39 am
Consider this. Auburn finished 3rd in Scout, 6th on Rivals, 7th on ESPN, and 6th 247 only rankings (I know 247 only is hard to find since 247 just pushes the composite rankings but here They are). Also consider USC Has the #1 class on 3 of the 4 rankings but is #2 on the "composite average" rankings. Bama is #1. Here is the top 10 per the composite
1. Bama
2. USC
3. FSU
4. Tennessee
5. LSU
6. Ohio St
7. UCLA
8. Clemson
9. Auburn
10. Georgia
Now when you straight up take the ranks of the 4 sites add them and divide by 4 you get average rankings of
1. USC (1.5 average)
2. Bama (1.75)
3. Tennessee (4.5)
4. Auburn (5.5)
5. FSU (5.75)
6. Ohio St (7.25)
7. Georgia (7.5)
8. Clemson (8.25)
9. LSU (8.5)
10. Texas (9.25)
Furthermore Auburn is 5th in star average on Rivals, Scout, & ESPN as well as 5th on 247 only and even 247 composite player average.
In conclusion, the 9th rank in the composite team rank is a joke. Claim the rank from your favorite site whether it's #3 from Scout, 6 from Rivals, 6 from 247 only, or 7 from ESPN, or 5th from all the sites star or player averages but don't claim or go by that messed up 9th.
1. Bama
2. USC
3. FSU
4. Tennessee
5. LSU
6. Ohio St
7. UCLA
8. Clemson
9. Auburn
10. Georgia
Now when you straight up take the ranks of the 4 sites add them and divide by 4 you get average rankings of
1. USC (1.5 average)
2. Bama (1.75)
3. Tennessee (4.5)
4. Auburn (5.5)
5. FSU (5.75)
6. Ohio St (7.25)
7. Georgia (7.5)
8. Clemson (8.25)
9. LSU (8.5)
10. Texas (9.25)
Furthermore Auburn is 5th in star average on Rivals, Scout, & ESPN as well as 5th on 247 only and even 247 composite player average.
In conclusion, the 9th rank in the composite team rank is a joke. Claim the rank from your favorite site whether it's #3 from Scout, 6 from Rivals, 6 from 247 only, or 7 from ESPN, or 5th from all the sites star or player averages but don't claim or go by that messed up 9th.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 7:49 am to ellitor
Thanks for pointing out the 247 only rankings - I thought that's what I was looking at when I went to their site.
No matter how you look at it we did great IMO. The new staff have already proven to be great recruiters and most of their resume suggests they're winners too.
UT is rolling in b2b top 5 classes. Surely they're about to make some moves next year?
No matter how you look at it we did great IMO. The new staff have already proven to be great recruiters and most of their resume suggests they're winners too.
UT is rolling in b2b top 5 classes. Surely they're about to make some moves next year?
Posted on 2/5/15 at 8:15 am to ellitor
I liked the al.com summaries on the guys we signed. Regardless of what any service says, I think this was one of the best classes.
I am looking forward to seeing a pass rush again, and guys like the kid who transferred from Georgia should have a huge impact as well.
I just want our defense to improve, we can do that with solid tackling, avoid stupid PI calls and not blowing assignments --- none of that requires stars, it requires coaching. I think when you combine the talent with the coaching we now have, Auburn is on the way to a much better season.
I am looking forward to seeing a pass rush again, and guys like the kid who transferred from Georgia should have a huge impact as well.
I just want our defense to improve, we can do that with solid tackling, avoid stupid PI calls and not blowing assignments --- none of that requires stars, it requires coaching. I think when you combine the talent with the coaching we now have, Auburn is on the way to a much better season.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 8:37 am to ellitor
When the 247 guys split from rivals, didn't the rivals guys say they gave a bump to Bama players? I know we joke about it, but I swear I read an article on the subject.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 8:54 am to AUCE05
247 actually came out at one point and stated that they give bumps based on what college signs the kid, and that since bama has a knack for sending kids to nfl in their system, the kids get bumped
Ron Sanders on auburn 24/7 put a post about what was explained to him regarding the algorithm they use. It absolutely makes no sense, and is flawed.
Eta: Here is the explanation
Ron Sanders 16338 posts 16 hours ago
I know there have been several questions about class rankings. I just had a 15 minute conversation about it and this was the way it was explained to me:
In order to create the most comprehensive Team Recruiting Ranking without any notion of bias, 247Sports Team Recruiting Ranking is solely based on the 247Sports Composite Rating.
The 247Composite Rating is a proprietary algorithm that compiles prospect "rankings" and "ratings" listed in the public domain by the major media recruiting services.
Each player is awarded a value rating (e.g. Cowart's value rating is .9987). The 247Sports Composite Rating is based totally on that value - not on stars.
Stars are awarded based on a range within 247Composite Rating.
100 - 98 = Five-star prospect, 97 - 90 = Four-star prospect., etc. etc....
Read more here:
LINK
Each recruit is weighted in the team rankings according to a bell curve (Gaussian distribution formula), where a team's best recruit is worth the most points.
You can think of a team's point score as being the sum of ratings of all the team's commits where the best recruit is worth 100% of his rating value, the second best recruit is worth nearly 100% of his rating value, down to the last recruit who is worth a small fraction of his rating value.
This formula ensures that all commits contribute at least some value to the team's score without heavily rewarding teams that have several more commitments than others.
There's virtually no difference between No. 6 (Ohio State 279.83) and No. 9. (Auburn 277.69).
If you line up the top players in each class, you'll see that Auburn's top players are rated slightly lower (have a lower value) than the schools rated higher.
When graded on a bell curve, the difference is very clear. The formula hasn't changed in three years.
The bottom line: we're talking about fractions of points. Auburn signed an amazing class, among the best in the country. We'll find out in three to four years who really won National Signing Day 2015.
Ron Sanders on auburn 24/7 put a post about what was explained to him regarding the algorithm they use. It absolutely makes no sense, and is flawed.
Eta: Here is the explanation
Ron Sanders 16338 posts 16 hours ago
I know there have been several questions about class rankings. I just had a 15 minute conversation about it and this was the way it was explained to me:
In order to create the most comprehensive Team Recruiting Ranking without any notion of bias, 247Sports Team Recruiting Ranking is solely based on the 247Sports Composite Rating.
The 247Composite Rating is a proprietary algorithm that compiles prospect "rankings" and "ratings" listed in the public domain by the major media recruiting services.
Each player is awarded a value rating (e.g. Cowart's value rating is .9987). The 247Sports Composite Rating is based totally on that value - not on stars.
Stars are awarded based on a range within 247Composite Rating.
100 - 98 = Five-star prospect, 97 - 90 = Four-star prospect., etc. etc....
Read more here:
LINK
Each recruit is weighted in the team rankings according to a bell curve (Gaussian distribution formula), where a team's best recruit is worth the most points.
You can think of a team's point score as being the sum of ratings of all the team's commits where the best recruit is worth 100% of his rating value, the second best recruit is worth nearly 100% of his rating value, down to the last recruit who is worth a small fraction of his rating value.
This formula ensures that all commits contribute at least some value to the team's score without heavily rewarding teams that have several more commitments than others.
There's virtually no difference between No. 6 (Ohio State 279.83) and No. 9. (Auburn 277.69).
If you line up the top players in each class, you'll see that Auburn's top players are rated slightly lower (have a lower value) than the schools rated higher.
When graded on a bell curve, the difference is very clear. The formula hasn't changed in three years.
The bottom line: we're talking about fractions of points. Auburn signed an amazing class, among the best in the country. We'll find out in three to four years who really won National Signing Day 2015.
This post was edited on 2/5/15 at 8:57 am
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:01 am to ellitor
Wow, what a farce!
Auburn's class was ranked higher than #9 by every site, and they somehow end up at #9 on the composite? That makes no sense at all.
Auburn's class was ranked higher than #9 by every site, and they somehow end up at #9 on the composite? That makes no sense at all.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:05 am to HailToTheChiz
Well they could have done what I did in the OP by adding up the final class ranks then divide by 4 and nobody would have a problem with a bias. The wayt they do it makes sense to them and people with Math degrees from MIT but nobody else.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:13 am to AubieALUMdvm
We hit our needs really well with this class and singed some impact players
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:31 am to TheJones
quote:End of the day, this is all that matters
We hit our needs really well with this class and singed some impact players
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:37 am to TheJones
quote:
We hit our needs really well with this class and singed some impact players
I think you were the one Jonesy who talked about guys like Atkinson being "football players." I'm hoping that is true and I think our front 7 will be solid in future years if we get our DT situation resolved
Posted on 2/5/15 at 11:01 am to ellitor
I think they just updated the rankings because the top 10 is different from your list. The top 10 now (updated at 10:40 CST):
1. USC
2. Bama
3. Tennessee
4. LSU
5. Ohio St
6. Auburn
7. FSU
8. Texas
9. Georgia
10. Clemson
1. USC
2. Bama
3. Tennessee
4. LSU
5. Ohio St
6. Auburn
7. FSU
8. Texas
9. Georgia
10. Clemson
Posted on 2/5/15 at 11:14 am to augrad00
quote:That's 247 rankings, not the 247 composite.
I think they just updated the rankings because the top 10 is different from your list. The top 10 now (updated at 10:40 CST):
Posted on 2/5/15 at 11:28 am to GenesChin
quote:
I think you were the one Jonesy who talked about guys like Atkinson being "football players." I'm hoping that is true and I think our front 7 will be solid in future years if we get our DT situation resolved
Yeah we have recruited a lot of finesse players the past 4-5 years but I think we have some real football players in this class. Not a lot of star power and big egos, just some quality position players with some upside.
You kind of heard Malzahn hint at it a lot yesterday when he used the "tough" buzzword with most of the guys we signed.
I'm not trying to say this year we turned a new leaf and that these guys are the ones that are going to finally bring toughness to our defense. I just think its a good start.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 1:53 pm to joeyb147
quote:Oh, I just click the link the OP provide an figured that was the composite list.
That's 247 rankings, not the 247 composite.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 2:19 pm to augrad00
lol. I stated in the OP the link was 247 only rankings and inferred it was not the composite.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 2:45 pm to ellitor
What is the stated methodology for the composite? Could explain the weird drop. Obviously has something to do with the grading systems of each site.
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