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re: Attention atheists: Science says you're probably wrong.
Posted on 12/26/14 at 12:21 pm to FleshEatingSalsa
Posted on 12/26/14 at 12:21 pm to FleshEatingSalsa
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Posted on 12/26/14 at 12:24 pm to Duke
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I've got BHP.
He's like Tbird but flies black helicopters or is a just a black helicopter pilot or both. I've already won.
I lol'd for realz.
Posted on 12/26/14 at 12:33 pm to Duke
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BHP.
He's like Tbird but flies black helicopters or is a just a black helicopter pilot or both. I've already won.
Posted on 12/26/14 at 12:41 pm to cokebottleag
The fine-tuning argument is nothing more than a classic argument from hindsight. Basically, the assumption inherent to the claim is that life as it currently exists is the only possible way in which it could ever exist anywhere.
The reality is that with a different set of parameters, life could have very well arisen in a completely different manner with beings vastly different from us in function and base composition.
Moreover, life is exceptionally flawed. Take humans for example: there is roughly 15% of the earth's surface where we can live and function, our metabolism is woefully inefficient, our instincts are inherently illogical for sentient beings to possess, and we have multiple wastes pieces of biomass which often prove more detrimental than anything.
Nothing about life is fine tuned.
The reality is that with a different set of parameters, life could have very well arisen in a completely different manner with beings vastly different from us in function and base composition.
Moreover, life is exceptionally flawed. Take humans for example: there is roughly 15% of the earth's surface where we can live and function, our metabolism is woefully inefficient, our instincts are inherently illogical for sentient beings to possess, and we have multiple wastes pieces of biomass which often prove more detrimental than anything.
Nothing about life is fine tuned.
Posted on 12/26/14 at 12:46 pm to Roger Klarvin
It's a flawed argument because you could take any combination of events in a system that take place in a five minute period, look back at it in hindsight, and apply astronomical odds that those events would have occurred in the specific way that they did.
Posted on 12/26/14 at 12:49 pm to Roger Klarvin
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The reality is that with a different set of parameters, life could have very well arisen in a completely different manner with beings vastly different from us in function and base composition.
Yet we have not discovered any. Therefore, the evidence must conclude that we are alone in the universe, which supports my conclusion of intelligent design.
Posted on 12/26/14 at 12:54 pm to cokebottleag
Actually, it is essentially a statistical certainty that life exists elsewhere.
Posted on 12/26/14 at 12:55 pm to Roger Klarvin
Did you read the OP? Science says otherwise.
Posted on 12/26/14 at 12:56 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Actually, it is essentially a leap of faith that life exists elsewhere
Posted on 12/26/14 at 12:57 pm to cokebottleag
We have observed an infinitesimal portion of the universe. Your sample size is inadequate to say conclusively that we are alone in the universe.
Posted on 12/26/14 at 12:59 pm to cokebottleag
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Therefore, the evidence must conclude that we are alone in the universe
Pump the brakes. You don't have to conclude anything. The search for life outside of our planet will never be over. Finding life doesn't affirm nor deny there being a creator. The universe doesn't owe us anything.
Posted on 12/26/14 at 1:01 pm to OBReb6
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However, I do not understand choosing to identify as an atheist rather than an agnostic.
If you're agnostic, all you're saying is that it's impossible to either prove or disprove the existence of a higher power. But this still doesn't address whether you believe one exists or not, and therefore, there are agnostic-theists and agnostic-atheists.
You cannot just be agnostic.
Posted on 12/26/14 at 1:02 pm to Ross
Our small sample size of what we can observe in the skies is similar to what we see in the depths of the ocean. It would be as foolish to say- since we haven't seen any new life forms this far down in the ocean, then we must conclude that no more exist.
Posted on 12/26/14 at 1:06 pm to olddawg26
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Our small sample size of what we can observe in the skies is similar to what we see in the depths of the ocean. It would be as foolish to say- since we haven't seen any new life forms this far down in the ocean, then we must conclude that no more exist.
But you deny the possibility of a higher being based on the same criteria.
Posted on 12/26/14 at 1:09 pm to OBReb6
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However, I do not understand choosing to identify as an atheist rather than an agnostic. Why not just say "hey, there could be a higher power of some sort I guess", not think about it anymore, and go on with your life. Unless it's an ego thing, which seems to be the obvious conclusion.
Except that's not what agnostic is at all.
Posted on 12/26/14 at 1:10 pm to cokebottleag
I don't deny because there isn't a shred of evidence to even show me. You telling me there's a higher being doesn't mean a thing. It's white noise without demonstrable evidence. I won't waste your time making you deny any of the other thousands of gods that have been made up. You don't lose sleep over maybe burning in the Islamic hell after death.
Posted on 12/26/14 at 2:26 pm to cokebottleag
I have such mixed emotions on this subject and honestly it's hard to pin down exactly what I do believe. Through my own experiences I believe in what is real and right in front of me, but the thought of an afterlife is more intriguing than just becoming nothing upon death. I was raised in a Christian home and we went to church, not every Sunday but most. I have been baptized and in my younger years I "believed" because it made sense and most children don't question things like religion. Without boring you guys with the details there was a time in my life where I thought I was going to die and I called out to God hoping that I would have some feeling of something putting me at ease and rewarding my faith. I wasn't expecting the clouds open up or any of that jazz but I wanted something-anything to help me through and say it's ok. I can't say that I felt anything in that moment of humble desperation but silence and a sense of loneliness.
I talked to preachers and close friends of mine who are devout Christians about that time and each of then just reassured me that God was there and that he just works in mysterious ways. Each of them had such conviction and I wanted to believe them, especially my close friends when they said that they just opened up and let God into their lives, but I have never gotten that feeling through all of my years of following without question. From then until now I just find myself agreeing with both sides when an arguement makes sense and just trying to be a good person to my fellow humans.
I've never posted in a religious thread on here because from the looks of it you guys are far more knowledgeable, but just my .02. Sorry for the wall of text
I talked to preachers and close friends of mine who are devout Christians about that time and each of then just reassured me that God was there and that he just works in mysterious ways. Each of them had such conviction and I wanted to believe them, especially my close friends when they said that they just opened up and let God into their lives, but I have never gotten that feeling through all of my years of following without question. From then until now I just find myself agreeing with both sides when an arguement makes sense and just trying to be a good person to my fellow humans.
I've never posted in a religious thread on here because from the looks of it you guys are far more knowledgeable, but just my .02. Sorry for the wall of text
Posted on 12/26/14 at 2:27 pm to BookofMormont
Nice thought out post and I think many can relate.
Posted on 12/26/14 at 2:37 pm to Alahunter
Thank you sir/ma'am
Posted on 12/26/14 at 4:00 pm to BookofMormont
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just trying to be a good person to my fellow humans.
Regardless of religion or lack thereof, this is what the human experience should boil down to, IMO.
Well said
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