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re: Catholic couple fined $13,000 for refusing to host same-sex ‘wedding’
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:05 pm to TeLeFaWx
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:05 pm to TeLeFaWx
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And I asked you if their religious beliefs were circa early 1900s Christianity, and they didn't believe in a black man marrying a white woman was God's will, would the law still be stupid? You've refused to answer that question.
Because I reject the very premise of this question. You're comparing discrimination based on skin color to discrimination based upon fat lesbians wanting to get married. It's not a fair comparison.
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If you try and engage in commerce on your private property, they have the right to make sure your shite it up to code, that you aren't violating any health regulations, and that you pay income taxes.
Point to where I said that they didn't.
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Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:05 pm to Kentucker
They can refuse service to anyone who isn't a protected class.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:07 pm to Kentucker
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Kenfricker
Your day of reckoning is coming, Saturday at 4PM eastern.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:09 pm to the808bass
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Kentucker has already painted himself into this corner. Kudos on sidestepping your own logic.
Are you actually Sleeping Tiger's dad? Are you declaring victory in a forum? That's what Sleepy would do.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:09 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Yes though. They should have lied and found a different reason to cancel it.
Agreed
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:10 pm to Kentucker
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Are you actually Sleeping Tiger's dad? Are you declaring victory in a forum? That's what Sleepy would do.
That's low you son of a bitch
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:10 pm to Kentucker
Are you trying to associate me with that nutjob to cover up your shitty anti-religion, Constitution-denying argument? That's what Kentucker would do.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:10 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Because I reject the very premise of this question. You're comparing discrimination based on skin color to discrimination based upon fat lesbians wanting to get married.
I'm comparing an interracial couple wanting to get married to a gay couple wanting to get married. Explain how that's different, or how it's the farm owner's business at all what color or gender the people trying to rent their property are?
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Point to where I said that they didn't.
Said they didn't what? Should be subject to regulation? You said "private property rights", over and over and over again when private property rights are absolutely irrelevant in this context, as we are dealing with commerce. Sorry the fact that you keep using an irrelevant defense as a catch all response is leading to confusion.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:11 pm to the808bass
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They can refuse service to anyone who isn't a protected class.
Any business can refuse service to anyone even in a protected class if they don't like how the customer is handling himself. That's probably why you were refused service in Charlotte.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:13 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Explain how that's different
Race is an immutable characteristic.
Homosexuality isn't.
Ann Heche would have been covered as a protected class while she was whoring herself out to what'shername but now that she likes the D again, she is no longer a fake protected class. This is exactly the idiocy that springs forth from creating fake protected classes based upon nothing other than emotion.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:13 pm to the808bass
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Are you trying to associate me with that nutjob to cover up your shitty anti-religion, Constitution-denying argument? That's what Kentucker would do.
You were assuming you know me. I was just holding up the figurative mirror.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:14 pm to Kentucker
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That's probably why you were refused service in Charlotte.
Are you one of those people who doesn't believe racism still exists?
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:15 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Should be subject to regulation? You said "private property rights", over and over and over again when private property rights are absolutely irrelevant in this context, as we are dealing with commerce. Sorry the fact that you keep using an irrelevant defense as a catch all response is leading to confusion.
I have also said OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, that they broke the state's anti discrimination laws.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:15 pm to Kentucker
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Any business can refuse service to anyone even in a protected class if they don't like how the customer is handling himself. That's probably why you were refused service in Charlotte.
Correct. You can stop all black guys from coming in to your bar by saying they don't meet dress code. Easy. Bouncers do it all the time. You can't have a "no coloreds" sign above the door, however. You're at that point admitting to the reason for your refusal is discrimination.
Which is why this person telling the lesbos on the phone why they weren't letting them rent was stupid. You're supposed to lie in that scenario.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:15 pm to Kentucker
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You were assuming you know me. I was just holding up the figurative mirror.
No. You got caught in a shitty argument and tried to change the subject.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:16 pm to the808bass
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Race is an immutable characteristic.Homosexuality isn't.
Fortunately, most people disagree with you.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:16 pm to TeLeFaWx
A person that is within their natural rights, should never need to lie about their reasons for making a choice concerning their own property.
Laws don't change rights. Laws that violate a person's individual rights are illegal laws.
The gay couple has the right to get married on a farm,nobody says they can't, but why does it need to be that specific one?
Laws don't change rights. Laws that violate a person's individual rights are illegal laws.
The gay couple has the right to get married on a farm,nobody says they can't, but why does it need to be that specific one?
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:16 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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I have also said OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, that they broke the state's anti discrimination laws.
Agreed. But you've stated over and over and over again private property rights as well...
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:18 pm to Kentucker
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Fortunately, most people disagree with you.
Anne Heche doesn't. It's weird.
Should she have been covered as a protected class while she was "pretending to be gay?" Is she pretending to be straight now? Should she still be a protected class because she's only pretending to be straight? Do you sense any difficulty with the pretense involved in your argument?
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:18 pm to auggie
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The gay couple has the right to get married on a farm,nobody says they can't, but why does it need to be that specific one?
I'm just saying it can't not be that specific ones if the owners are refusing service based on their sexuality.
If someone wants to practice freedom of religion they should do it in their own home, not in a commercial enterprise.
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