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re: So the OBC tells Saban to work smarter not harder?...
Posted on 6/22/14 at 10:17 pm to Othello
Posted on 6/22/14 at 10:17 pm to Othello
I'm no Spurrier fan because of what he has done to UGA over the years (I do think he is the 2nd best coach in the SEC right now), but the guy turned around the history of two SEC programs and won a national title without the help of an unprecedented number of support staff members or the tradition of success that demanded/aided winning.
It's fascinating, give credit where credit is due.
It's fascinating, give credit where credit is due.
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Posted on 6/22/14 at 10:19 pm to MenloDawg
Posted on 6/22/14 at 10:24 pm to CNB
Posted on 6/22/14 at 10:24 pm to RollTide1987
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Nick Saban loves recruiting above all things. He would bring talent to South Carolina the same way he brought it to LSU.
Don't worry. When the HBC retires and becomes a consultant ... we're hiring Saban.
Holtz
Spurrier
Saban
Seriously .... we have that kind of power y'all just haven't figured that out yet.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
There will be an official SCAR hate group one day other than the one at the sheep frickers' association HQ in Pickens County. Think about that.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 10:25 pm to MrAUTigers
I dont hate Spurrier, the SEC is better and more fun with him. But he shouldn't be taking shots at a guy whom, IMO, is a better coach.
And if Spurrier were coach at UGA but had the same record and results he has had at USC, many fans would want him fired.
Richt is a great coach and yet he gets almost no respect but he truest UGA fans know he's a great coach that just hasn't caught that break.
All I really want is Richt to get some of the love that Spurrier gets and I'm not even a UGA fan.
Spurrier is a great coach and he has made USC a great team but, IMO, it's time for him to take them to the ultimate level if he wants to be up there with Saban and win a NC at USC.
And before he retires, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Spurrier does win one or more NCs at USC.
And if Spurrier were coach at UGA but had the same record and results he has had at USC, many fans would want him fired.
Richt is a great coach and yet he gets almost no respect but he truest UGA fans know he's a great coach that just hasn't caught that break.
All I really want is Richt to get some of the love that Spurrier gets and I'm not even a UGA fan.
Spurrier is a great coach and he has made USC a great team but, IMO, it's time for him to take them to the ultimate level if he wants to be up there with Saban and win a NC at USC.
And before he retires, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Spurrier does win one or more NCs at USC.
This post was edited on 6/22/14 at 10:29 pm
Posted on 6/22/14 at 10:31 pm to CNB
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Saban has an undefeated season on his resume
So does Larry Coker....
Posted on 6/22/14 at 10:46 pm to Othello
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And if Spurrier were coach at UGA but had the same record and results he has had at USC, many fans would want him fired.
UGA program =/= South Carolina program
Are you even aware of South Carolina's history? Do you know how awfully we truly have been? You keep comparing us to UGA and LSU. Missouri has a slightly better program than us FFS.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 11:26 pm to thirdlawson
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So does Larry Coker....
Okay...despite the fact that this post proves that you are a complete dumb arse, I will humor you by accepting it into the record.
We are comparing Steve Spurrier and Nick Saban, two of the greatest coaches in the history of the college game. Larry Coker did indeed have an undefeated season while he was at Miami, but we must put that season into context. Butch Davis, not Larry Coker, built up that Miami squad. Everyone knows this. Whereas Nick Saban and Steve Spurrier actually built up the talent level that led to their national championship seasons. Again...everyone knows this.
When you take Coker's season by itself, your point looks great. But when you actually inject context and common sense into the equation, you continue to build a case for yourself as one of the dumbest people on this board.
In conclusion, when you are comparing Nick Saban vs. Steve Spurrier and the amount of undefeated seasons the two coaches have, you don't try to counter with a one hit wonder like Larry Coker.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 11:27 pm to CNB
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Are you even aware of South Carolina's history? Do you know how awfully we truly have been? You keep comparing us to UGA and LSU. Missouri has a slightly better program than us FFS.
Serious question: how long can you fall back on this excuse? I'm not shortchanging what Spurrier is doing at USC, it is remarkable. He turned a really bad program around. I get that. But what disadvantages is USC facing now? Tons of in state and neighboring talent, no SEC in state rival, money, passion, nice big stadium, beautiful state to sell to kids. I just think that today USC has everything in place to be competitive at the top tier, regardless of how shitty the team was historically. But all I ever hear when someone criticizes him is "yeah, but we used to be terrible!" I mean what I wrote about USC as a compliment really but I'm not sure I'm going to get a serious answer to my question.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 11:37 pm to Othello
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And if Spurrier were coach at UGA but had the same record and results he has had at USC, many fans would want him fired.
lulz
BTW ... what is the HBC's record against UGA, even at SCAR?
Posted on 6/22/14 at 11:37 pm to thatthang
Thank you, exactly!
Posted on 6/22/14 at 11:39 pm to thatthang
I'm sorry, I'm failing to see where being 11-2 is a bad season.
None of us are saying that we aren't disappointed about not making the SECCG since 2010. However it's not like we've been a bad team. If we even chastise Spurrier for not going to the SECCG while we are 11-2, who would want to coach for us?
We've been consistent, but we've still got one hump left to get over. Our recruiting hasn't been lights out, but it has been decent.
I just don't see how you can fault a coach for going 11-2 three years in a row. If we were in any other conference but the SEC, we would have at least played in three BCS games. It is what it is though. We've just had some bad breaks during our run.
I'm very optimistic about the future.
None of us are saying that we aren't disappointed about not making the SECCG since 2010. However it's not like we've been a bad team. If we even chastise Spurrier for not going to the SECCG while we are 11-2, who would want to coach for us?
We've been consistent, but we've still got one hump left to get over. Our recruiting hasn't been lights out, but it has been decent.
I just don't see how you can fault a coach for going 11-2 three years in a row. If we were in any other conference but the SEC, we would have at least played in three BCS games. It is what it is though. We've just had some bad breaks during our run.
I'm very optimistic about the future.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 11:42 pm to thatthang
quote:Well we're obviously seeing the pay offs of having said advantages. 3 straight 11-win seasons being one of 3 teams in the country to finish in the top 10 each of the last 3 years.
But what disadvantages is USC facing now? Tons of in state and neighboring talent, no SEC in state rival, money, passion, nice big stadium, beautiful state to sell to kids. I just think that today USC has everything in place to be competitive at the top tier, regardless of how shitty the team was historically.
If we were in another conference, we'd have been to a BCS bowl at least one of those years. Just gotta take the next step.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 11:44 pm to thatthang
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But what disadvantages is USC facing now? Tons of in state and neighboring talent, no SEC in state rival, money, passion, nice big stadium, beautiful state to sell to kids. I just think that today USC has everything in place to be competitive at the top tier, regardless of how shitty the team was historically.
You're right ... and it shows.
Only three teams in the country have won as many games in the past three seasons ... Bama, Oregon and SCAR.
So what are you trying to say?
Let me say it for you clearly, succinctly.
With Shaw gone, with Clowney, Quarles and Sutton gone, we'll know more about just how far SCAR has come after this season.
Just how truly great is the HBC? This season will tell the tale.
This post was edited on 6/22/14 at 11:47 pm
Posted on 6/22/14 at 11:54 pm to CNB
Uhhh, I never said anything about USC having a bad season. My post was a response to yours where you mentioned LSU and UGA's better histories, basically implying that those histories made it unfair to compare USC to those schools today. My point was basically ok, I get your point, but when can we stop using the past as sort of an excuse. Yes I do agree Spurrier has USC right where they need to be, just not over that hump yet. You mention recruiting, and if I'm a USC fan that would be my main complaint as well. I just see no reason why USC can't pull in top classes, regardless of how they have recruited in the past. If we want to have a serious conversation on Spurrier's merits I think this is a knock on him. I'm out, goodnight!
Posted on 6/23/14 at 12:02 am to thatthang
What is he supposed to hold a gun to their heads?
I fail to see your point. Yes we haven't made it to the SECCG, but Spurrier has us playing the best we ever have.
Recruits will ALWAYS want to play in Athens and Baton Rouge more than Columbia, SC.
We've started to keep more recruits at home and it's paid off. We just haven't gotten there yet. Maybe I just don't understand your question. We've been more consistent than UGA and LSU (with both of those schools having higher highs, and lower lows) and we're playing at a high level. We had one bad game last year that cost us. Let's not freak out and discredit Spurrier's overall body of work over that.
The past is a daunting reminder. It seems to be used against us as much as we use it as an excuse. I would bet money that we win the SEC before Spurrier leaves. Could be this year, if Thompson plays like we all know he can.
I fail to see your point. Yes we haven't made it to the SECCG, but Spurrier has us playing the best we ever have.
Recruits will ALWAYS want to play in Athens and Baton Rouge more than Columbia, SC.
We've started to keep more recruits at home and it's paid off. We just haven't gotten there yet. Maybe I just don't understand your question. We've been more consistent than UGA and LSU (with both of those schools having higher highs, and lower lows) and we're playing at a high level. We had one bad game last year that cost us. Let's not freak out and discredit Spurrier's overall body of work over that.
The past is a daunting reminder. It seems to be used against us as much as we use it as an excuse. I would bet money that we win the SEC before Spurrier leaves. Could be this year, if Thompson plays like we all know he can.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 12:16 am to CNB
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What is he supposed to hold a gun to their heads?
No he just needs to sign better classes to get over that hump, in my opinion. To answer your question from earlier in this thread, I do think Saban would get better classes if he were in Columbia than Spurrier is now getting. That's just what Saban does, he finds a way to sign kids. But to show you I don't have Saban on some ridiculous pedestal, I would take Spurrier over Saban for game day performance.
But I digress. My point was pretty simple: at SOME point when we have these conversations about what Spurrier is doing in Columbia, I think we need to stop focusing on how historically shitty USC's program was. No one harps on Oregon's shitty history, Or Boise State's, etc.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 12:33 am to thatthang
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But to show you I don't have Saban on some ridiculous pedestal, I would take Spurrier over Saban for game day performance.
So you're saying Spurrier's winning record over Saban trumps Saban's recruiting accumen?
I'm confused ... plus I thought your were taking your out of bullshite tired arse to bed a couple of posts ago.
This post was edited on 6/23/14 at 12:36 am
Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:01 am to scrooster
No I think recruiting prowess is of paramount importance in building a consistent, championship winning program, but all coaches have strengths that may help balance out weaknesses. I'm also saying that some of you may be overblowing the 'we have a shitty history' security blanket when praising Spurrier, who has no doubt done a fantastic job at USC.
No reason to get hostile bro. I'm really not saying anything controversial on here.
No reason to get hostile bro. I'm really not saying anything controversial on here.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:14 am to CNB
Spurrier has done very well at South Carolina, but I think that Saban would be able to take the Gamecocks to the elite level. Had Saban been at USC instead of Spurrier for the last 8 years (?), he'd have at least a couple of SEC titles by now, and perhaps even an MNC. Why? Because Saban would work his tail off with recruiting in a way that Spurrier does not.
Recruiting just isn't Spurrier's cup of tea. And, to be fair, he's a good enough coach to take above average talent and win 9+ games, which speaks of his knowledge and ability. By South Carolina standards, Spurrier is the best thing to ever happen to their program (Holtz got the ball rolling). Still, despite everything, South Carolina has no titles, which is really why people don't think of the Gamecocks as elite. They are *almost* there though, and I do think that Spurrier has more than a few good years left in him too.
I think what Spurrier really needs is an SEC title-- a big, meaningful trophy of some sort. Still, even if he never gets that in Columbia, he HAS turned around the Clemson-South Carolina rivalry, and that's meaningful and keeps Gamecock fans proud and happy. Clemson was beating them something like 7 times out of 10 for many decades, but no longer.
Recruiting just isn't Spurrier's cup of tea. And, to be fair, he's a good enough coach to take above average talent and win 9+ games, which speaks of his knowledge and ability. By South Carolina standards, Spurrier is the best thing to ever happen to their program (Holtz got the ball rolling). Still, despite everything, South Carolina has no titles, which is really why people don't think of the Gamecocks as elite. They are *almost* there though, and I do think that Spurrier has more than a few good years left in him too.
I think what Spurrier really needs is an SEC title-- a big, meaningful trophy of some sort. Still, even if he never gets that in Columbia, he HAS turned around the Clemson-South Carolina rivalry, and that's meaningful and keeps Gamecock fans proud and happy. Clemson was beating them something like 7 times out of 10 for many decades, but no longer.
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