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re: Tray Matthews Aunt Brings The SmacK Down to Bulldog Nation
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:02 am to Pettifogger
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:02 am to Pettifogger
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As for Richt, I don't think he's responsible for someone like Matthews, but I do think a regime change will be needed to foster an environment where fewer kids are lost to persistent behavior issues. It's tough to go after really cocky high school kids and keep them in line, as we found with Chizik.
You realize that every school in the SEC and the country has kids that have behavioral issues and they get in trouble. The difference is, Richt doesn't keep in internal and punish kids privately. They don't really learn a lesson like that. That's why we have more suspensions than other schools. Because Richt chooses to act on things other coaches wouldn't make public.
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"He's kicking kids off the team where other coaches, many times, are keeping things in house," said former quarterback David Greene (2001-04). "It's a tough balance, because as college coaches, they're paid to win games. Some of the coaches treat it like the NFL and don't care about the kids. Coach Richt really, genuinely cares."
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"The perception outside the program is that people think Coach Richt is such a good guy that the players take advantage of him," said Greene, who co-hosts The David Greene College Show on 92.9 The Game in Atlanta every Thursday night. "The reality is the opposite. He holds his kids to a standard, and once you cross a line, he says, 'We have a policy here. You're not going to do this.'"
Richt explained his philosophy on discipline to B/R last month, and it can be summed up rather succinctly. He is going to "hit 'em where it hurts."
"We're going to hold them accountable," Richt told B/R in May. "Sometimes, in doing so, if you use playing time as a way to discipline, then it becomes a very public thing."
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Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:03 am to RT1941
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So Tray's gonna be paying out of state tuition for a year at AU? That'll be a hefty bill.
Lots of kids do it annually.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:03 am to FlatwoodsForester
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thought he was offered a scholarship.
Out of HS, yes.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:07 am to RT1941
No Tray received a full scholarship.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:07 am to gatorhata9
FFS stop with the "UGA is more disciplinarian." Absent limited examples (LSU team vote), most every SEC school responds the same way. Auburn kicks off people pretty publicly. So does Alabama, or any other football power.
The fact is, UGA has as many issues as any other SEC school, despite having fans who attest to the pious nature of the program. You recruit kids with issues, you let them hang around, and sometimes you get rid of them. Same as everyone else.
I do think that for a number of reasons, discipline being one of many, Richt will eventually need to go. It's difficult to maintain whatever environment you need to keep everyone on the same page and winning. I think that time has passed or is close to over for Richt.
The fact is, UGA has as many issues as any other SEC school, despite having fans who attest to the pious nature of the program. You recruit kids with issues, you let them hang around, and sometimes you get rid of them. Same as everyone else.
I do think that for a number of reasons, discipline being one of many, Richt will eventually need to go. It's difficult to maintain whatever environment you need to keep everyone on the same page and winning. I think that time has passed or is close to over for Richt.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:07 am to parkjas2001
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Out of HS, yes.
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Former Georgia safety Tray Matthews, who was dismissed from the team earlier this month, confirmed to ESPN.com that he will indeed transfer to SEC rival Auburn and receive a full scholarship.
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Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:08 am to Pettifogger
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Point is that I think we're approaching them better.
How so? By big cat weekend when you roll up in limos and treat them like the president all weekend?
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I think Richt has had some issues for a while now, and it's probably just a staleness issue.
Has nothing to do with it. Has everything to do with him not keeping issues in house and holding players accountable.
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Sometimes you just need fresh faces to keep the environment where it needs to be.
I think this is a weak argument. The best programs have stability and not a lot of turnover. Look at the model the Steelers and Giants have laid out. Look at the most successful teams in college football history: Penn State, Nebraska, Alabama, FSU recently. Changing coaches for the sake of changing coaches is pointless.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:10 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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No Tray received a full scholarship.
Huh, I thought he had to walk on like Grant did.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:10 am to Pettifogger
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The fact is, UGA has as many issues as any other SEC school,
Yes. And we handle things differently. This isn't a "we're better than you" argument. This is a "Richt hasn't lost control because he dismisses players. He has control because he dismisses players."
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I do think that for a number of reasons, discipline being one of many, Richt will eventually need to go. It's difficult to maintain whatever environment you need to keep everyone on the same page and winning. I think that time has passed or is close to over for Richt
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:10 am to parkjas2001
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thought he was offered a scholarship.
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Out of HS, yes.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:11 am to parkjas2001
No, he got a full ride and will only have to sit out one year.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:12 am to gatorhata9
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I think this is a weak argument. The best programs have stability and not a lot of turnover. Look at the model the Steelers and Giants have laid out. Look at the most successful teams in college football history: Penn State, Nebraska, Alabama, FSU recently. Changing coaches for the sake of changing coaches is pointless.
I think it is the opposite. FSU had lots of problems at the end and battled discipline issues the entire tenure of Bowden. The Paterno example would have been a good one, but that post mortem won't be over for years. From other eras, Dye, Dooley, and Bryant were all breaking rules.
I don't care if you keep Richt around, I'm just giving my opinion. I think UGA is in a rut, and while they'll continue to have success, I think you'll also continue to lack a cohesive culture and continue to fall short of your ultimate goal. You can reject that idea, I really don't mind, as I have no concern over whether UGA gets over the hump or not.
As for Big Cat Weekend, apparently you haven't contrasted the two between how it was handled under Chizik and Trooper and what is going on now. Auburn is far more subtle than before.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:12 am to gatorhata9
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The difference is, Richt doesn't keep in internal and punish kids privately
Whats the punishment for the two on the team that were a part of the check cashing deal?
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That's why we have more suspensions than other schools. Because Richt chooses to act on things other coaches wouldn't make public.
This is kind of the funny thing with many UGA fans
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:13 am to Pettifogger
quote:If UGA Administration would loosen the reigns on discipline issues, we wouldn't hear shite about a large number if UGA players. Richt has his hands tied to some extent by his own administration.
I do think that for a number of reasons, discipline being one of many, Richt will eventually need to go. It's difficult to maintain whatever environment you need to keep everyone on the same page and winning. I think that time has passed or is close to over for Richt.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:13 am to parkjas2001
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Huh, I thought he had to walk on like Grant did.
It would have looked better if that's what Auburn had done. Not trying to poke the bear here. I really do hope Tray cleans his act up and is successful (just not against us). I just think if Auburn wanted to give the public perception that we'll give him a chance, but he's going to be on a "short leash", then you don't offer a free ride right out of the gate. He may not have been able to pay for the out of state tuition, and maybe Auburn didn't want to lose the chance of getting him. I don't know. Tough situation all around, I guess.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:16 am to FlatwoodsForester
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It would have looked better if that's what Auburn had done.
I agree in the extent that I dont see why we gave him a scholarship for a year that he has to sit when that could go to a player who can actually play this season.
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He may not have been able to pay for the out of state tuition,
If so, AUs act of charity is getting spit on.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:18 am to tylerdurden24
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by taking on a kid with disciplinary issues. You're purposely ignoring the part where Tray stole money from the University before mouthing off to a teacher and being subsequently dismissed
So, UGA kept 2 kids on roster who stole money, but Auburn does this and you have a problem with it? As to the mouthing off to a teacher, I have not heard enough, but sounds minor in and of itself.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:22 am to parkjas2001
quote:Seems Tray jumped on a golden parachute at AU.
I agree in the extent that I dont see why we gave him a scholarship for a year that he has to sit when that could go to a player who can actually play this season.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:22 am to parkjas2001
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If so, AUs act of charity is getting spit on.
Act of charity, maybe, but you wonder if the kid learns anything if he screws up and there's really no repercussions. He went from one free ride to another.
It's like a father disciplining his children just to have Mama come along behind him rubbing the kids back saying "poor baby".
Like I said before, good luck with him. I really do hope it works out. I would hate to see his talent wasted.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 10:25 am to allin2010
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As to the mouthing off to a teacher, I have not heard enough, but sounds minor in and of itself.
We had Tray on a very "short leash". He was disrupting a class and the teacher asked him to be quiet or leave. Don't know the details, but rumor is he was very disrespectful. I guess Richt finally had enough, and showed him the door.
(Dawg fans if I've got this wrong, correct me)
This post was edited on 6/18/14 at 10:26 am
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